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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Posted: January 11, 2012, 1:05 am - IP Logged

I might also add : that youve actually gotten a lot of free advertizing for your programs that other paid links would be highly pizzzzzzed off about if they knew this.... you are aware of that arent you....and i am still rather surprized that youre still here despite the fact.

and keeping with the topic at hand this thread never was about you or your program yet your followers who use your system just couldnt help from coming to your defense.

i think it might be time for me to use the troll away bug spray on you next.

You are just ignoring the facts i am posting, and you just keep on bashing and calling anyone who is not agreeing with you a troll, bravo!

Is that just about all you can do??? You move alot of air when you talk, and that is just about all you seem to be able to do.

I have asked you several questions during this thread, yet you have not answered 1, not even 1. It don't take an Einstein to figure out the reason for that.

All you do is post your thoughts, and not 1 time you have backed it up with data, proof, anything.

The best part is really that you are now saying i gotten alot of free advertizing, lol man, you are a real comedian, you did nothing but bringing it up because your goal is just to put it down.

I have explained why some things are as they are, and every time you ignored that.

Post a reply to the data i have posted, those are facts, real data, real calculations, real statistics, not some wild thoughts i have dreamed one night.

The numbers are what they are, and they don't fit what you are posting and telling people here.

So i guess for you it is just too hard to keep to the facts...

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    Paruths program rocks! Great tool to have in your arsonal!

    Play to win!

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      Hey crow, i'll bet you ALL of the people here who are defending the pre-draws would change their minds in a heartbeat if they saw all 6 of their numbers show in a pre-test in a JP game. First they'd crap their pants and then cry fowl despite their reputation on this subject. The pain would be too much,  but you'll never see them do it cause their ego is much more important than admitting the truth.

      People will always talk the talk, but when it hits home, the ball game changes.

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        Those stinkin' Texans are at it again! Just look at this!

        If I had played all the pre-test draws for the Texas 2Step for the last 1112 drawing, I would have hit  NO jackpots, NO four balls, and 1 three ball O_o?!?

        You know they'd change that game when they saw me hitting 178 Bonus Balls! Wink

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          Hey crow, i'll bet you ALL of the people here who are defending the pre-draws would change their minds in a heartbeat if they saw all 6 of their numbers show in a pre-test in a JP game. First they'd crap their pants and then cry fowl despite their reputation on this subject. The pain would be too much,  but you'll never see them do it cause their ego is much more important than admitting the truth.

          People will always talk the talk, but when it hits home, the ball game changes.

          One can mitigate this risk to their pants by taking a potty break before checking their numbers. Jester

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            So, are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

            The answer has to be an over whelmingly yes...!!! most if not all the missing structures have hit in the pre-draws then what structure truly is "MISSING" ?

            For an example take a look at the most recent pre-draw list that was posted in NC

            No. No & No

            Proof? Winning Tickets. Winning Numbers

             

            I prefer predraws because I'm a predictor

            Pre-dic-tion - a statement made about the future 

             

            Predraws bring me closer to the future 

            You take a simple game like P3 & P4 and blow it out of proportionConfused

             I guess you have zero interest in the money making part of the game

            I see you're still trying to decipher something that has nothing to do with

            us players. What they do behind the scences is their business ...Who Cares?? 

            They can paint the balls red then repaint it yellow for all I care. Makes no differenceNo No 

             

            Respectfully Submitted

            CTNY 

             

             

            The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!! Wink

             I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.

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              Posted: January 11, 2012, 9:56 am - IP Logged

              Drawings are a random event from draw to draw.

              actual draw history will average out over time.

              balls by position  6,258 draws

               

               

                   Drawn By Position |         Draw Frequency     |   Since Drawn |       Most Frequent

                 P1      P2   P3       Ttl|     P1    P2    P3           Ttl|    P1 P2 P3 |     Pairs     Doubles

              ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              0: 632 688 596     1916|   9.9   9.1 10.5         3.3|     6   5 12   |   9 (367)     6 (26)

              1: 632 619 660     1911|   9.9 10.1   9.5         3.3|   36   4   6   |   2 (360)     5 (27)

              2: 650 659 625     1934|   9.6   9.5 10.0         3.2|     9 35   9   |   5 (361)     4 (25)

              3: 593 600 680     1873| 10.6 10.4   9.2         3.3|   17   2 17   |   4 (361)     2 (23)

              4: 631 623 637     1891|   9.9 10.0   9.8         3.3|     0 12 29   |   3 (361)     3 (25)

              5: 607 631 643     1881| 10.3   9.9   9.7         3.3|   18   1   3   |   2 (361)     6 (25)

              6: 612 570 574     1756| 10.2 11.0 10.9         3.6|     2 10   1   |   8 (338)     7 (24)

              7: 650 596 614     1860|   9.6 10.5 10.2         3.4|   10 25   0   |   0 (362)     0 (23)

              8: 636 628 593     1857|   9.8 10.0 10.6         3.4|     1 15   7   |   1 (353)     6 (26)

              9: 615 644 636     1895| 10.2   9.7   9.8         3.3|   14   0 15   |   0 (367)     4 (25)

               Pre draws do not corrupt my game as the actual draw history is enough for me to use.

               The longest out ball by position is 1-2-4

              If I do a search on that actual draw history the 1-2-4 by either position have been out a total of 29 draws with a most out of 23 draws using 6,258 draws.

              One of those balls will drop by position shortly I would gather.There are options on how to use this info.

              Actual draw stats are locatable using the many options in software to find something that will drop in a reasonable length of time.

              Some draw history of the 1-2-4 by position search

              Number search of SC3 A M&E.dmg: All Records      Printed: 01-11-2012
              Pos.1 = 1 Pos.2 = 2 Pos.3 = 4 Pos.4 = None   Exact Order, Any Numbers
              1723 Records Found          1723 Selected Records Printed           Page

               Record     Date           P1 P2 P3   Matched  Skips
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                 6164   11/21/2011   4    8    4            1      15
                 6165   11/21/2011   7    6    4            1       0
                 6167   11/22/2011   3    6    4            1       1
                 6172   11/25/2011   6    2    7            1       4
                 6178   11/28/2011   7    2    5            1       5
                 6180   11/29/2011   1    5    0            1       1
                 6181   11/30/2011   1    2    8            2       0
                 6186   12/02/2011   0    2    5            1       4
                 6188   12/03/2011   5    2    3            1       1
                 6190   12/05/2011   1    8    4            2       1
                 6191   12/05/2011   1    4    3            1       0
                 6195   12/07/2011   9    2    0            1       3
                 6198   12/09/2011   6    7    4            1       2
                 6200   12/10/2011   0    2    0            1       1
                 6201   12/10/2011   8    2    4            2       0
                 6205   12/13/2011   4    5    4            1       3
                 6206   12/13/2011   1    6    0            1       0
                 6209   12/15/2011   2    2    6            1       2
                 6210   12/15/2011   1    1    2            1       0
                 6211   12/16/2011   1    1    6            1       0
                 6214   12/17/2011   2    2    9            1       2
                 6215   12/18/2011   0    0    4            1       0
                 6216   12/19/2011   6    2    3            1       0
                 6221   12/21/2011   1    8    9            1       4
                 6222   12/22/2011   1    8    9            1       0
                 6223   12/22/2011   0    2    0            1       0
                 6229   12/26/2011   8    1    4            1       5

              MAGA

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                Paruths program rocks! Great tool to have in your arsonal!

                I Agree!

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                  Paruths program rocks! Great tool to have in your arsonal!

                  Wow, once again more free anvertizing on a site that doesnt even belong to ricky ?


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                    You are just ignoring the facts i am posting, and you just keep on bashing and calling anyone who is not agreeing with you a troll, bravo!

                    Is that just about all you can do??? You move alot of air when you talk, and that is just about all you seem to be able to do.

                    I have asked you several questions during this thread, yet you have not answered 1, not even 1. It don't take an Einstein to figure out the reason for that.

                    All you do is post your thoughts, and not 1 time you have backed it up with data, proof, anything.

                    The best part is really that you are now saying i gotten alot of free advertizing, lol man, you are a real comedian, you did nothing but bringing it up because your goal is just to put it down.

                    I have explained why some things are as they are, and every time you ignored that.

                    Post a reply to the data i have posted, those are facts, real data, real calculations, real statistics, not some wild thoughts i have dreamed one night.

                    The numbers are what they are, and they don't fit what you are posting and telling people here.

                    So i guess for you it is just too hard to keep to the facts...

                    Youre only worried about my commentary effecting the sales of your program and like i said before i never started this thread to bash you personally..... you just happened to but in.

                    You didnt see my answer to boney about the 1/1000 odds either for a straight played combination, did ya ?

                    Are you going to refute those facts ?

                    The facts are there are no missing structures in your program or any other for that matter because you do not have all the data to run an accurate analysis with.

                    State run lotteries dont give a ratsss azzzz what kind of pick3 software that people use to crack the system with because they know that none of it works and hidden data is the main weapon in their arsenal


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                      Hey crow, i'll bet you ALL of the people here who are defending the pre-draws would change their minds in a heartbeat if they saw all 6 of their numbers show in a pre-test in a JP game. First they'd crap their pants and then cry fowl despite their reputation on this subject. The pain would be too much,  but you'll never see them do it cause their ego is much more important than admitting the truth.

                      People will always talk the talk, but when it hits home, the ball game changes.

                      Very true and i might add that these people arent just defending the pre-draws they are also defending ricky who's program they have or else they wouldnt be here  trolling the thread in an attempt to have todd shut it down .... its pretty much called the hive collective and brainwashing and starts out just this way with the end result being financial ruin from putting their faith into something that has yet to show value of any sort...

                      sad actually.

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                        Very true and i might add that these people arent just defending the pre-draws they are also defending ricky who's program they have or else they wouldnt be here  trolling the thread in an attempt to have todd shut it down .... its pretty much called the hive collective and brainwashing and starts out just this way with the end result being financial ruin from putting their faith into something that has yet to show value of any sort...

                        sad actually.

                        I actually don't mind a heated discussion, as long as it involves a real topic and people make real points that are related to the lottery.

                        I also like the fact that the discussion about this topic (pre-draws) is kept within a single topic.  It becomes bad when a complaint like "I hate pre-draws" makes its way into many different topics, which takes them off-topic and becomes an annoyance for people who are discussing something unrelated -- or are having a positive discussion that suddenly becomes negative as the result of the gripe.

                         

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                           One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?

                          There are states like north carolina that will give you the pre-draws however the pre-draw information is given waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to run a statistical analysis with as in weeks.

                          Im sure if they wanted to they could give you the complete list up until the time of the last drawing.

                          All state lotteries should give out all the pre-draws on their websites and keep it current .

                          Keep in mind that the state lotteries are not going to give anything to the players that would represent an edge.

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                            There are no facts and no data that supports the idea that pre-test draws affect the outcome of the official draw.

                            Comparing 3000 (Texas Day) draws vs the 12000 pretests, that is comparing the 4 pre-test draws against the official draw, a straight will hit in the pre-test that will come back as the official draw approximately once every 290 draws. Say once a year. 

                            A box hit will occur about every 52 days, or 6 times a year. Looking at the chart posted a couple of days ago you can see where a box hit TWICE in the pre-test and the same three digits were drawn as the official draw. 60% of the draws that night were comprised of three numbers!

                            Comparing 3600 (Texas Evening) draws to 14000 pre-tests, straights hit about once every 300 days. Once a year?

                            A box hit will occur about every 48 days, again, about 6 times a year.

                            Statistical advantages are built over a period of time. They are not found in a 5 mere draws. So adding 4 draws to the data you already have would be a drop in the bucket. In most cases the change would be less than .001%.

                            The fact that the pre-test digits do come back in the official draw proves the pre-tests have no affect on the outcome of the official draw.

                            Has anybody seen any facts or data that shows anything different?

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                              There are no facts and no data that supports the idea that pre-test draws affect the outcome of the official draw.

                              Comparing 3000 (Texas Day) draws vs the 12000 pretests, that is comparing the 4 pre-test draws against the official draw, a straight will hit in the pre-test that will come back as the official draw approximately once every 290 draws. Say once a year. 

                              A box hit will occur about every 52 days, or 6 times a year. Looking at the chart posted a couple of days ago you can see where a box hit TWICE in the pre-test and the same three digits were drawn as the official draw. 60% of the draws that night were comprised of three numbers!

                              Comparing 3600 (Texas Evening) draws to 14000 pre-tests, straights hit about once every 300 days. Once a year?

                              A box hit will occur about every 48 days, again, about 6 times a year.

                              Statistical advantages are built over a period of time. They are not found in a 5 mere draws. So adding 4 draws to the data you already have would be a drop in the bucket. In most cases the change would be less than .001%.

                              The fact that the pre-test digits do come back in the official draw proves the pre-tests have no affect on the outcome of the official draw.

                              Has anybody seen any facts or data that shows anything different?

                              combos from the pre draw showing in the official draw is just a small issue. also, you're just doing one state, Texas, there are many other states that may show different results. that part is only but a fraction of the concerns. the main issue is using those pre draws to track patterns and trends. you keep bringing in stats that have nothing to do with the issue.

                              also, puarths never addressed the issue i brought up about his stats which didn't take into account the ball set rotations and machine rotations, which he has no access to anyways, so all these charts and stats are useless.

                                 
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