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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Jan 9, 2012
It's all about intention, isn't it? Objectively speaking, why do gaming operators use countermeasures like ostensible pre-draw testing if the games were unbeatable? Anything that will throw off any number association, methodology or energy flow of the player, Sure in 10,000 games it all averages out but how about the next game you're waiting on?
Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)
'When you own the _wheel, its no longer a even chance game ' -Damon Runyon (legendary gaming expert)
No offence, Crow. may error but he errors on the side of the angels
EddessaKnight
Hiya, Eddessa
"Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)"
Reminds of the electronic past numbers boards they placed on the Roulette tables so I could hear Crap players commenting on their Roulette number hitting.
Did the casinos put up those boards on demand of the players so they will have more data aiding them in beating the house or are they there so Crap players have something to talk about between rolls?
"No offence, Crow may error but he errors on the side of angels"
I Understand Crow's point, just questioning the usefulness of the missing data. Can those electronic past numbers boards change the odds on future Roulette outcomes?
Do the odds against the pill landing on a number become higher because that number just hit within the last four outcomes?
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Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
The odds are 1 in 1000. If I flip a coin, the odds are 50/50 (Well technically 49/51, but let's ignore that and call it 50/50).
That doesn't mean that if I flip it twice I'll have a heads and a tails, just in the same way that you won't see every number show over 1000 draws. The chance of you having one heads and one tails is 50%, while there's a 25% chance of either two head OR two tails.
The same can be applied to Pick 3, understanding that the odds are 1 in 1000, but also do the math and figure out the odds that any specific number will show within, say, 1000 draws. Of course that math you be harder because there's countless of ways 1000 pick 3 draws can happen, but it's still an finite amount of results.
The odds are always 1 in 1000 if you buy ONE STRAIGHT ticket. Otherwise it's x/1000 depending on how many straights you have covered (a box counting as 6 straights).
If you bought every combination, you have a 1000/1000 or 100% chance of losing half of your money. Degrees of certainty are not the same as odds. They are more like long term odds of specific events. And still, if you wanted to refer to degrees of certainty, the odds for any number over X amount of draws will be better than 1 in 1000. In fact, for 2 draws, I can say the odds of it showing at least once are....
(2/1000)-(1/1000000) or 1,999/1,000,000.
Of course, it just gets more and more complicated, and so it's not really something I'd want to do.
NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .
As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :
Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :
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Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 10, 2012
Yes the odds are 1/1000 but only if you play 1000 combinations which would mean you would only win 500 dollars in most states
The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can go into the 1000's of draws
and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws ?
This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted
"The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can go into the 1000's of draws"
Odds are generally expressed by a ratio of ways to lose compared to ways to win. The Pick 3 game has 1000 possible straight number outcomes so if you play one straight number, there are 999 ways to lose compared to 1 way to win; 999 to 1 odds. The degree of certainty applies when you play more than one straight number. Some people like to feel better by saying if they play 10 straight numbers their chances are 1 in 100, but in reality it's only a 1% chance of winning. They have 990 ways to lose compared to only 10 to win.
"and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws?"
That's the one argument you're making that I find valid, but it can work both ways. If there is only a 3.3% chance of any of those 4 numbers repeating then it would make sense to throw them out. But there still is a 3.3% chance of throwing out the winning number.
"This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted"
Other than asking me if I'd play one of the test numbers and calling the tests "missing data", you haven't provided any factual information of how the test draws corrupt the data. In Texas the results of the tests are available so why not use it to at least give some evidence of how the Texas test draws corrupt the Texas Pick 3 drawings data.
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Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 10, 2012
NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .
As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :
Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
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Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
So what?
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated.
I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".
They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA. That's right.
Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check.
When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either. I finally gave up and left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away.
My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.
Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department." What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.
Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?
So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?
Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits? At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.
At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this? Let em' swim in it!
It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.
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Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
So what?
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
If pre-draws mess up strategy, this would mean, it is inherent to it per definition, the statistics of structures would show this. So when you have a strategy that uses structures, you are scr.w.d... according to some...
I could just write "no, not true", or "yes, very true" and be on my way.
Or, i could show data collected from different "games" and compare the data to see which side i should pick.
This is usually how scientist do it. They don't just say "the moon is 100 miles away" and another says "no, the moon is 1000000 miles away".
To find out how far the moon is, they will measure the distance and come to a conclusion based on that data, based on facts.
Any given structure is "created" with a set of numbers. For example the HHH pattern will have 125 numbers (straight).
Ideally, this structure should show itself in the draws once in every 8 draws. Whenever a number with only high digits comes in, this is a HHH.
This means the Mathematical Average skip can be used to observe if the Real Average skip is far off. In a "fixed" game this would show, in real life when you throw a coin, from which each side has a Mathematical Average skip of 2, you will find one side will sometimes fall several times in a row before the other side falls. No one is fixing behind your back or when you blinked, it is just the way it is.
This goes for any structure there is. Some structures have 125 straight numbers, others have for example 27 numbers (OSS OpenStraightStraight)
If pre-draws mess up, this would mean this would be shown in the statistics.
Below is a grid of some straight structures: HighLow, OddEven, DigitSort (LMH), OpenClosedStraight, LMH structured numbers (L:0, 1, 2 and M: 3, 4, 5, 6 and H: 7, 8, 9) and InOut.
The first column show the (short)name of the structure, the second column shows the Mathematical Average skip.
In this grid you will find the following "states"
Texas midday - real draws: these are the draws on which you can bet
Texas midday - Pre-draws: these are the draws on which you can not bet, they are held before the real draw
Texas midday - Pre-draws + real draws: a combination of both the real draws and the pre-draws.
New Jersey evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : New Jersey is a ball machine game
California Evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : California uses a RNG (Random Number Generator, or simply put, a computer)
RNG 3570 draws: This is not a real state, it has draws that were created using my own Random Number Generator (just the same as you can find here at LP)
For each of these "states" the grid shows how many times a structure has "hit", and the RealTime average skip has been calculated.
Up to you to compare the data, compare average skips, and come to your own conclusion.
No hocus pocus here, just facts!
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Texas midday
NJ Eve (last 10 years)
CA eve (last 10 years)
RNG 3570 draws (10 years draws)
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Real draws
Pre-draws
Pre-draws and real draws
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Straight stats
Math Av skip
Times
Av. skip
Times
Av. skip
Times
Av. skip
Times
Av. skip
Times
Av. skip
Times
Av. skip
HHH
8
388
7,83
1011
7,46
1399
7,57
408
8,75
426
8,38
471
7,58
HHL
8
380
8,
929
8,12
1309
8,09
408
8,75
470
7,6
441
8,1
HLH
8
345
8,81
926
8,15
1271
8,33
448
7,97
413
8,65
452
7,9
LHH
8
406
7,49
926
8,15
1332
7,95
442
8,08
448
7,97
439
8,13
LLL
8
360
8,44
890
8,48
1250
8,47
485
7,36
470
7,6
426
8,38
LLH
8
380
8,
944
7,99
1324
7,99
521
6,86
467
7,65
449
7,95
LHL
8
401
7,58
961
7,85
1362
7,77
414
8,63
476
7,5
441
8,1
HLL
8
379
8,02
959
7,87
1338
7,91
446
8,01
402
8,89
451
7,92
EEE
8
401
7,58
939
8,04
1340
7,9
456
7,83
488
7,32
484
7,38
EEO
8
355
8,56
901
8,38
1256
8,43
496
7,2
456
7,83
456
7,83
EOE
8
393
7,73
964
7,83
1357
7,8
401
8,91
406
8,8
473
7,55
OEE
8
364
8,35
978
7,72
1342
7,89
453
7,89
463
7,71
419
8,52
OOO
8
359
8,47
944
7,99
1303
8,12
448
7,97
429
8,33
416
8,58
OOE
8
380
8,
955
7,9
1335
7,93
411
8,69
424
8,42
436
8,19
OEO
8
393
7,73
903
8,36
1296
8,17
421
8,48
432
8,27
447
7,99
EOO
8
394
7,71
962
7,84
1356
7,81
486
7,35
474
7,54
439
8,13
LMH
7,69
359
8,47
926
8,15
1285
8,24
445
8,03
430
8,31
444
8,04
LHM
7,69
409
7,43
925
8,16
1334
7,93
430
8,31
439
8,14
427
8,36
MLH
7,69
364
8,35
853
8,85
1217
8,7
450
7,94
443
8,06
460
7,76
MHL
7,69
361
8,42
886
8,52
1247
8,49
405
8,82
462
7,73
426
8,38
HLM
7,69
342
8,89
929
8,12
1271
8,33
432
8,27
409
8,73
402
8,88
HML
7,69
391
7,77
908
8,31
1299
8,15
386
9,25
442
8,08
424
8,42
LLH
18,18
130
23,38
349
21,62
479
22,1
191
18,7
143
24,98
154
23,18
LHL
18,18
137
22,18
346
21,81
483
21,92
148
24,14
153
23,35
154
23,18
HLL
18,18
132
23,02
336
22,46
468
22,62
158
22,61
164
21,78
163
21,9
LHH
18,18
141
21,55
320
23,58
461
22,96
163
21,91
132
27,06
173
20,64
HLH
18,18
137
22,18
347
21,75
484
21,87
153
23,35
167
21,39
137
26,06
HHL
18,18
110
27,63
345
21,87
455
23,26
169
21,14
150
23,81
167
21,38
OCS
27,77
117
25,97
278
27,14
395
26,8
112
31,89
126
28,35
125
28,56
OSC
27,77
104
29,22
269
28,05
373
28,38
155
23,05
128
27,91
132
27,05
COS
27,77
107
28,4
272
27,74
379
27,93
128
27,91
134
26,66
114
31,32
CSO
27,77
109
27,88
299
25,24
408
25,94
109
32,77
137
26,07
136
26,25
SOC
27,77
120
25,33
266
28,37
386
27,42
129
27,69
130
27,48
124
28,79
SCO
27,77
107
28,4
245
30,8
352
30,07
122
29,28
128
27,91
142
25,14
OOO
37,04
76
39,99
195
38,7
271
39,06
104
34,35
94
38,
92
38,8
OOC
27,77
93
32,68
294
25,67
387
27,35
139
25,7
113
31,61
137
26,06
OCO
27,77
114
26,66
270
27,95
384
27,57
147
24,3
132
27,06
119
30,
COO
27,77
92
33,03
294
25,67
386
27,42
145
24,63
117
30,53
121
29,5
OOS
37,04
85
35,75
209
36,11
294
36,
90
39,69
81
44,1
92
38,8
OSO
37,04
72
42,21
191
39,51
263
40,25
102
35,02
103
34,68
85
42,
SOO
37,04
74
41,07
200
37,73
274
38,63
89
40,13
104
34,35
92
38,8
CCC
15,63
196
15,51
466
16,19
662
15,99
222
16,09
222
16,09
246
14,51
CCO
20,83
136
22,35
373
20,23
509
20,8
153
23,35
165
21,65
183
19,51
COC
20,83
164
18,53
372
20,28
536
19,75
160
22,33
188
19,
178
20,06
OCC
20,83
150
20,26
365
20,67
515
20,55
174
20,53
184
19,41
177
20,17
CCS
20,83
161
18,88
337
22,39
498
21,26
176
20,3
179
19,96
170
21,
CSC
20,83
129
23,56
351
21,5
480
22,05
166
21,52
171
20,89
204
17,5
SCC
20,83
153
19,86
366
20,62
519
20,39
158
22,61
173
20,65
164
21,77
SSS
37,04
67
45,36
199
37,92
266
39,79
112
31,89
105
34,02
77
46,36
SSO
37,04
75
40,52
219
34,46
294
36,
108
33,07
111
32,18
109
32,75
SOS
37,04
87
34,93
189
39,93
276
38,35
101
35,37
84
42,52
71
50,28
OSS
37,04
82
37,06
198
38,11
280
37,8
95
37,6
98
36,45
113
31,59
SSC
27,77
114
26,66
289
26,11
403
26,27
131
27,27
104
34,35
135
26,44
SCS
27,77
130
23,38
269
28,05
399
26,53
127
28,13
133
26,86
105
34,
CSS
27,77
125
24,31
271
27,85
396
26,73
118
30,27
128
27,91
127
28,11
LMH
27,77
111
27,38
261
28,91
372
28,45
140
25,51
123
29,04
144
24,79
LHM
27,77
126
24,12
302
24,99
428
24,73
115
31,06
124
28,81
127
28,11
MLH
27,77
97
31,33
254
29,71
351
30,16
139
25,7
128
27,91
126
28,33
MHL
27,77
127
23,93
253
29,83
380
27,86
115
31,06
155
23,05
137
26,06
HLM
27,77
85
35,75
261
28,91
346
30,59
140
25,51
109
32,77
105
34,
HML
27,77
108
28,14
277
27,24
385
27,49
103
34,68
116
30,79
131
27,25
LLL
37,04
74
41,07
192
39,3
266
39,79
101
35,37
100
35,72
98
36,43
LLM
27,77
119
25,54
247
30,55
366
28,92
144
24,81
132
27,06
111
32,16
LML
27,77
104
29,22
247
30,55
351
30,16
127
28,13
145
24,63
114
31,32
MLL
27,77
126
24,12
280
26,95
406
26,07
128
27,91
138
25,88
131
27,25
LLH
37,04
81
37,52
205
36,81
286
37,01
115
31,06
98
36,45
119
30,
LHL
37,04
98
31,01
226
33,39
324
32,67
98
36,45
88
40,59
108
33,06
HLL
37,04
86
35,34
193
39,1
279
37,94
87
41,06
107
33,38
91
39,23
MMM
15,63
182
16,7
494
15,28
676
15,66
225
15,88
237
15,07
227
15,73
MML
20,83
127
23,93
367
20,56
494
21,43
198
18,04
163
21,91
158
22,59
MLM
20,83
128
23,74
362
20,85
490
21,6
169
21,14
162
22,05
169
21,12
LMM
20,83
142
21,4
354
21,32
496
21,34
192
18,6
175
20,41
167
21,38
MMH
20,83
140
21,71
388
19,45
528
20,05
178
20,07
163
21,91
165
21,64
MHM
20,83
149
20,4
372
20,28
521
20,32
156
22,9
185
19,31
156
22,88
HMM
20,83
151
20,13
388
19,45
539
19,64
156
22,9
168
21,26
175
20,4
HHH
37,04
87
34,93
191
39,51
278
38,08
83
43,04
91
39,25
96
37,19
HHL
37,04
78
38,96
216
34,94
294
36,
107
33,38
91
39,25
92
38,8
HLH
37,04
82
37,06
211
35,76
293
36,13
100
35,72
92
38,83
93
38,39
LHH
37,04
91
33,4
194
38,9
285
37,14
85
42,02
100
35,72
98
36,43
HHM
27,77
92
33,03
272
27,74
364
29,08
106
33,7
128
27,91
143
24,97
HMH
27,77
127
23,93
266
28,37
393
26,93
124
28,81
141
25,33
132
27,05
MHH
27,77
121
25,12
273
27,64
394
26,87
141
25,33
113
31,61
157
22,74
III
8
364
8,35
971
7,77
1335
7,93
430
8,31
468
7,63
445
8,02
IIO
8
347
8,76
976
7,73
1323
8,
467
7,65
407
8,78
433
8,24
IOI
8
362
8,4
951
7,93
1313
8,06
430
8,31
436
8,19
421
8,48
OII
8
372
8,17
978
7,72
1350
7,84
447
7,99
450
7,94
433
8,24
OOI
8
410
7,41
909
8,3
1319
8,03
446
8,01
431
8,29
407
8,77
OIO
8
395
7,69
910
8,29
1305
8,11
429
8,33
491
7,27
472
7,56
IOO
8
408
7,45
897
8,41
1305
8,11
473
7,55
452
7,9
468
7,63
OOO
8
381
7,98
954
7,91
1335
7,93
450
7,94
437
8,17
491
7,27
Let's say i would have removed the name of the "states", is anyone out there that could tell wich "state" is which?
Anyone claiming the pre-draws mess up everything should be able to do so, since they make a claim the data is corrupt, biased, name it... based on ... yes, based on what?
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Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Jan 9, 2012
I don't think I explained very well why predraws don't affect a strategy/system for picking the official winning numbers for the next drawing. When someone comes up with a pattern or some other strategy for picking numbers, they are comparing an official winning numbers to the previous official winning numbers. This is exactly what their pattern/strategy is based on. From one set of official numbers to the next, their pattern/strategy applies. It doesn't matter that there are predraws. When it comes to that person's strategy, predraws don't exist.
Yes Guru101, this is my belief as well.
In reading this thread it has led me to look at another aspect of the predraws.
In the matter of the predraws, are the predraws drawn in the same manner in which the official draws are made? Meaning, the amount of time given before, during & after each ball is drawn. In the televised segment there is only so much time, a limited time frame given to make the actual draw.
However in the predraw phase is the timing the same as in the draw for the official #?
You must understand that variations will make a difference in the draw results. The amount of rotations allowed to mix up the balls in the lower chamber, for each machine. The balls that pop up into the tube & are not drawn & are allowed to go back down into the lower chamber to mix & swirl around again until someone pulls a lever of some kind to release a ball & to then allow it to pop up & reveal itself as an actual draw #. The point being are the predraws handled with consistency?
As for me, as long as the lottery officials are consistent with the manner in which the actual official draws are made, then no, the predraws that are made behind the scenes do not corrupt my lottery strategy.
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Btw, on May 16, 2008, 6:43 am i posted something in my blog, just check it out. It happens this was for that evil Texas midday...
Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...
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Quote: Originally posted by Prometheus1 on Jan 10, 2012
Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated.
I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".
They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA. That's right.
Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check.
When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either. I finally gave up and left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away.
My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.
Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department." What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.
Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?
So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?
Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits? At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.
At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this? Let em' swim in it!
It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.
Crow spraying troll away bug killer... ssssshhhhhhhhsshhhshhsh------------> on prometheus
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Quote: Originally posted by paurths on Jan 10, 2012
Btw, on May 16, 2008, 6:43 am i posted something in my blog, just check it out. It happens this was for that evil Texas midday...
Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...
I might also add : that youve actually gotten a lot of free advertizing for your programs that other paid links would be highly pizzzzzzed off about if they knew this.... you are aware of that arent you....and i am still rather surprized that youre still here despite the fact.
and keeping with the topic at hand this thread never was about you or your program yet your followers who use your system just couldnt help from coming to your defense.
i think it might be time for me to use the troll away bug spray on you next.
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One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
List Pick 3 singles by low sums, high sums. Separate each sum row by consecutive pair and non consecutive pair combos. These 3 pair groups.14 17 47, 25 28 58,36 39 69 are in 63 combos. 54 combos do not have them. Which sums do the 3 pair groups appear and not appear? Look at root sum groups 147, 258, 369. Play accordingly.
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jan 10, 2012
One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
You aren't, pre-draw results are provided to assure the public that the equipment was tested and found to be working properly before the official drawing. Pre-draw results are usually posted with/after the official draw results.
Complaining about pre-draws is like complaining about your mechanic test driving your car after repairs messing up you mpg calculations. It's the cost of doing the job right.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Besides, if you can't get them (pre draws) what good will they do? You can't analyze info that you don't have, so why even worry about them?
I would be interestered in looking at them though just to see if the sequence I was playing came out, but if the states don't really go out of their way to publish them, then they don't really help anyone.
List Pick 3 singles by low sums, high sums. Separate each sum row by consecutive pair and non consecutive pair combos. These 3 pair groups.14 17 47, 25 28 58,36 39 69 are in 63 combos. 54 combos do not have them. Which sums do the 3 pair groups appear and not appear? Look at root sum groups 147, 258, 369. Play accordingly.
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jan 10, 2012
One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
First off the pre-draws arent done to see if the machines are working correctly as sooooo many people mistakenly suppose this is just some of the horse shyyttt that the lotteries tell gullible players to keep them from wondering and to stay content while they are being robbed .... its purpose is to break up trends and to confound pick3 software that people use as a means of gaining an advantage which they cannot by the way
There are no due or missing elements because they have all hit in the pre-draws..... keep on playing those missing structures and the only thing that will be missing is the money in your wallet not that pick3 software developers would give a dayyumm.
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