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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Posted: January 10, 2012, 12:16 pm - IP Logged

It's all about intention, isn't it? Objectively speaking, why do gaming operators use countermeasures like ostensible pre-draw testing if the games were unbeatable? Anything that will throw off any number association, methodology or energy flow of the player, Sure in 10,000 games it all averages out but how about the next game you're waiting on?      

                                                                                                                                                                                 Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)

'When you own the _wheel, its no longer a even chance game ' -Damon Runyon (legendary gaming expert)

No offence, Crow. may error but he errors on the side of the angels Wink

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Hiya, Eddessa

"Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)"

Reminds of the electronic past numbers boards they placed on the Roulette tables so I could hear Crap players commenting on their Roulette number hitting.

Did the casinos put up those boards on demand of the players so they will have more data aiding them in beating the house or are they there so Crap players have something to talk about between rolls?

"No offence, Crow may error but he errors on the side of angels"

I Understand Crow's point, just questioning the usefulness of the missing data. Can those electronic past numbers boards change the odds on future Roulette outcomes?

Do the odds against the pill landing on a number become higher because that number just hit within the last four outcomes?


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    The odds are 1 in 1000.  If I flip a coin, the odds are 50/50 (Well technically 49/51, but let's ignore that and call it 50/50).

     

    That doesn't mean that if I flip it twice I'll have a heads and a tails, just in the same way that you won't see every number show over 1000 draws.  The chance of you having one heads and one tails is 50%, while there's a 25% chance of either two head OR two tails.

     

    The same can be applied to Pick 3, understanding that the odds are 1 in 1000, but also do the math and figure out the odds that any specific number will show within, say, 1000 draws.  Of course that math you be harder because there's countless of ways 1000 pick 3 draws can happen, but it's still an finite amount of results.

     

    The odds are always 1 in 1000 if you buy ONE STRAIGHT ticket.  Otherwise it's x/1000 depending on how many straights you have covered (a box counting as 6 straights).

     

    If you bought every combination, you have a 1000/1000 or 100% chance of losing half of your money.  Degrees of certainty are not the same as odds.  They are more like long term odds of specific events.  And still, if you wanted to refer to degrees of certainty, the odds for any number over X amount of draws will be better than 1 in 1000.  In fact, for 2 draws, I can say the odds of it showing at least once are....

     

    (2/1000)-(1/1000000) or 1,999/1,000,000.

     

    Of course, it just gets more and more complicated, and so it's not really something I'd want to do.

    NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .

    As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :

    Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :

    017 * 085 * 087 * 091 * 094 * 106 * 122 * 199 * 216 * 221 * 252 * 253 * 260 * 266 * 310 * 317 * 390 * 392 * 396 * 407 * 415 * 421 * 466 * 475 * 492 * 546 * 550 * 558 * 569 * 580 * 586 * 590 * 633 * 634 * 653 * 703 * 708 * 761 * 787 * 799 * 836 * 862 * 900 * 909 * 930 * 935 * 980 * 986 * 991 * 998

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       Yes the odds are 1/1000 but only if you play 1000 combinations which would mean you would only win 500 dollars in most states

      The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can  go into the 1000's of draws

      and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws ?

      This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted

      "The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can  go into the 1000's of draws"

      Odds are generally expressed by a ratio of ways to lose compared to ways to win. The Pick 3 game has 1000 possible straight number outcomes so if you play one straight number, there are 999 ways to lose compared to 1 way to win; 999 to 1 odds. The degree of certainty applies when you play more than one straight number. Some people like to feel better by saying if they play 10 straight numbers their chances are 1 in 100, but in reality it's only a 1% chance of winning. They have 990 ways to lose compared to only 10 to win.

      "and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws?"

      That's the one argument you're making that I find valid, but it can work both ways. If there is only a 3.3% chance of any of those 4 numbers repeating then it would make sense to throw them out. But there still is a 3.3% chance of throwing out the winning number.

      "This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted"

      Other than asking me if I'd play one of the test numbers and calling the tests "missing data", you haven't provided any factual information of how the test draws corrupt the data. In Texas the results of the tests are available so why not use it to at least give some evidence of how the Texas test draws corrupt the Texas Pick 3 drawings data.

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        NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .

        As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :

        Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :

        017 * 085 * 087 * 091 * 094 * 106 * 122 * 199 * 216 * 221 * 252 * 253 * 260 * 266 * 310 * 317 * 390 * 392 * 396 * 407 * 415 * 421 * 466 * 475 * 492 * 546 * 550 * 558 * 569 * 580 * 586 * 590 * 633 * 634 * 653 * 703 * 708 * 761 * 787 * 799 * 836 * 862 * 900 * 909 * 930 * 935 * 980 * 986 * 991 * 998

        So what?

         

        Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show.  In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show.  I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.

         

        There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.

         

        If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close.  Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each.  That's defined as 50/50 odds.  That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.

         

        The same applies to pick 3.  The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.

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          So what?

           

          Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show.  In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show.  I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.

           

          There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.

           

          If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close.  Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each.  That's defined as 50/50 odds.  That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.

           

          The same applies to pick 3.  The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.

          Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated. 

           

           I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".

          They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA.  That's right.

           Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check. 

           When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either.  I finally gave up and  left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away. 

           My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.   

           Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department."  What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.

           Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?   

            So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?

           Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits?  At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.

                                      At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this?  Let em' swim in it!   

                                                     It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.    

            PROMETHEUS       

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            So what?

             

            Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show.  In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show.  I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.

             

            There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.

             

            If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close.  Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each.  That's defined as 50/50 odds.  That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.

             

            The same applies to pick 3.  The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.

            If pre-draws mess up strategy, this would mean, it is inherent to it per definition, the statistics of structures would show this. So when you have a strategy that uses structures, you are scr.w.d... according to some...

            I could just write "no, not true", or "yes, very true" and be on my way.
            Or, i could show data collected from different "games" and compare the data to see which side i should pick.
            This is usually how scientist do it. They don't just say "the moon is 100 miles away" and another says "no, the moon is 1000000 miles away".
            To find out how far the moon is, they will measure the distance and come to a conclusion based on that data, based on facts.


            Any given structure is "created" with a set of numbers. For example the HHH pattern will have 125 numbers (straight).

            Ideally, this structure should show itself in the draws once in every 8 draws. Whenever a number with only high digits comes in, this is a HHH.
            This means the Mathematical Average skip can be used to observe if the Real Average skip is far off. In a "fixed" game this would show, in real life when you throw a coin, from which each side has a Mathematical Average skip of 2, you will find one side will sometimes fall several times in a row before the other side falls. No one is fixing behind your back or when you blinked, it is just the way it is.

            This goes for any structure there is. Some structures have 125 straight numbers, others have for example 27 numbers (OSS OpenStraightStraight)

             

            If pre-draws mess up, this would mean this would be shown in the statistics.

            Below is a grid of some straight structures: HighLow, OddEven, DigitSort (LMH), OpenClosedStraight, LMH structured numbers (L:0, 1, 2 and M: 3, 4, 5, 6 and H: 7, 8, 9) and InOut.

            The first column show the (short)name of the structure, the second column shows the Mathematical Average skip.

            In this grid you will find the following "states"
            Texas midday - real draws: these are the draws on which you can bet
            Texas midday - Pre-draws: these are the draws on which you can not bet, they are held before the real draw
            Texas midday - Pre-draws + real draws: a combination of both the real draws and the pre-draws.
            New Jersey evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : New Jersey is a ball machine game
            California Evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : California uses a RNG (Random Number Generator, or simply put, a computer)
            RNG 3570 draws: This is not a real state, it has draws that were created using my own Random Number Generator (just the same as you can find here at LP)

            For each of these "states" the grid shows how many times a structure has "hit", and the RealTime average skip has been calculated.

            Up to you to compare the data, compare average skips, and come to your own conclusion.
            No hocus pocus here, just facts!

             

             

            ..Texas middayNJ Eve (last 10 years)CA eve (last 10 years)RNG 3570 draws (10 years draws)
            ..Real drawsPre-drawsPre-draws and real draws......
            Straight statsMath Av skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skip
            HHH83887,8310117,4613997,574088,754268,384717,58
            HHL83808,9298,1213098,094088,754707,64418,1
            HLH83458,819268,1512718,334487,974138,654527,9
            LHH84067,499268,1513327,954428,084487,974398,13
            LLL83608,448908,4812508,474857,364707,64268,38
            LLH83808,9447,9913247,995216,864677,654497,95
            LHL84017,589617,8513627,774148,634767,54418,1
            HLL83798,029597,8713387,914468,014028,894517,92
            EEE84017,589398,0413407,94567,834887,324847,38
            EEO83558,569018,3812568,434967,24567,834567,83
            EOE83937,739647,8313577,84018,914068,84737,55
            OEE83648,359787,7213427,894537,894637,714198,52
            OOO83598,479447,9913038,124487,974298,334168,58
            OOE83808,9557,913357,934118,694248,424368,19
            OEO83937,739038,3612968,174218,484328,274477,99
            EOO83947,719627,8413567,814867,354747,544398,13
            LMH7,693598,479268,1512858,244458,034308,314448,04
            LHM7,694097,439258,1613347,934308,314398,144278,36
            MLH7,693648,358538,8512178,74507,944438,064607,76
            MHL7,693618,428868,5212478,494058,824627,734268,38
            HLM7,693428,899298,1212718,334328,274098,734028,88
            HML7,693917,779088,3112998,153869,254428,084248,42
            LLH18,1813023,3834921,6247922,119118,714324,9815423,18
            LHL18,1813722,1834621,8148321,9214824,1415323,3515423,18
            HLL18,1813223,0233622,4646822,6215822,6116421,7816321,9
            LHH18,1814121,5532023,5846122,9616321,9113227,0617320,64
            HLH18,1813722,1834721,7548421,8715323,3516721,3913726,06
            HHL18,1811027,6334521,8745523,2616921,1415023,8116721,38
            OCS27,7711725,9727827,1439526,811231,8912628,3512528,56
            OSC27,7710429,2226928,0537328,3815523,0512827,9113227,05
            COS27,7710728,427227,7437927,9312827,9113426,6611431,32
            CSO27,7710927,8829925,2440825,9410932,7713726,0713626,25
            SOC27,7712025,3326628,3738627,4212927,6913027,4812428,79
            SCO27,7710728,424530,835230,0712229,2812827,9114225,14
            OOO37,047639,9919538,727139,0610434,359438,9238,8
            OOC27,779332,6829425,6738727,3513925,711331,6113726,06
            OCO27,7711426,6627027,9538427,5714724,313227,0611930,
            COO27,779233,0329425,6738627,4214524,6311730,5312129,5
            OOS37,048535,7520936,1129436,9039,698144,19238,8
            OSO37,047242,2119139,5126340,2510235,0210334,688542,
            SOO37,047441,0720037,7327438,638940,1310434,359238,8
            CCC15,6319615,5146616,1966215,9922216,0922216,0924614,51
            CCO20,8313622,3537320,2350920,815323,3516521,6518319,51
            COC20,8316418,5337220,2853619,7516022,3318819,17820,06
            OCC20,8315020,2636520,6751520,5517420,5318419,4117720,17
            CCS20,8316118,8833722,3949821,2617620,317919,9617021,
            CSC20,8312923,5635121,548022,0516621,5217120,8920417,5
            SCC20,8315319,8636620,6251920,3915822,6117320,6516421,77
            SSS37,046745,3619937,9226639,7911231,8910534,027746,36
            SSO37,047540,5221934,4629436,10833,0711132,1810932,75
            SOS37,048734,9318939,9327638,3510135,378442,527150,28
            OSS37,048237,0619838,1128037,89537,69836,4511331,59
            SSC27,7711426,6628926,1140326,2713127,2710434,3513526,44
            SCS27,7713023,3826928,0539926,5312728,1313326,8610534,
            CSS27,7712524,3127127,8539626,7311830,2712827,9112728,11
            LMH27,7711127,3826128,9137228,4514025,5112329,0414424,79
            LHM27,7712624,1230224,9942824,7311531,0612428,8112728,11
            MLH27,779731,3325429,7135130,1613925,712827,9112628,33
            MHL27,7712723,9325329,8338027,8611531,0615523,0513726,06
            HLM27,778535,7526128,9134630,5914025,5110932,7710534,
            HML27,7710828,1427727,2438527,4910334,6811630,7913127,25
            LLL37,047441,0719239,326639,7910135,3710035,729836,43
            LLM27,7711925,5424730,5536628,9214424,8113227,0611132,16
            LML27,7710429,2224730,5535130,1612728,1314524,6311431,32
            MLL27,7712624,1228026,9540626,0712827,9113825,8813127,25
            LLH37,048137,5220536,8128637,0111531,069836,4511930,
            LHL37,049831,0122633,3932432,679836,458840,5910833,06
            HLL37,048635,3419339,127937,948741,0610733,389139,23
            MMM15,6318216,749415,2867615,6622515,8823715,0722715,73
            MML20,8312723,9336720,5649421,4319818,0416321,9115822,59
            MLM20,8312823,7436220,8549021,616921,1416222,0516921,12
            LMM20,8314221,435421,3249621,3419218,617520,4116721,38
            MMH20,8314021,7138819,4552820,0517820,0716321,9116521,64
            MHM20,8314920,437220,2852120,3215622,918519,3115622,88
            HMM20,8315120,1338819,4553919,6415622,916821,2617520,4
            HHH37,048734,9319139,5127838,088343,049139,259637,19
            HHL37,047838,9621634,9429436,10733,389139,259238,8
            HLH37,048237,0621135,7629336,1310035,729238,839338,39
            LHH37,049133,419438,928537,148542,0210035,729836,43
            HHM27,779233,0327227,7436429,0810633,712827,9114324,97
            HMH27,7712723,9326628,3739326,9312428,8114125,3313227,05
            MHH27,7712125,1227327,6439426,8714125,3311331,6115722,74
            III83648,359717,7713357,934308,314687,634458,02
            IIO83478,769767,7313238,4677,654078,784338,24
            IOI83628,49517,9313138,064308,314368,194218,48
            OII83728,179787,7213507,844477,994507,944338,24
            OOI84107,419098,313198,034468,014318,294078,77
            OIO83957,699108,2913058,114298,334917,274727,56
            IOO84087,458978,4113058,114737,554527,94687,63
            OOO83817,989547,9113357,934507,944378,174917,27

             

            Let's say i would have removed the name of the "states", is anyone out there that could tell wich "state" is which?

            Anyone claiming the pre-draws mess up everything should be able to do so, since they make a claim the data is corrupt, biased, name it... based on ... yes, based on what?

            lasas3

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              Texas dirty little secret: Sometimes they put more than one box hit in the pre-test to mess with you!!!!

              3 of the 5 draws have combinations of 0, 5, 9. You would think they could come up with some better pre-test numbers.

              These look too RANDOM!

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                I don't think I explained very well why predraws don't affect a strategy/system for picking the official winning numbers for the next drawing. When someone comes up with a pattern or some other strategy for picking numbers, they are comparing an official winning numbers to the previous official winning numbers. This is exactly what their pattern/strategy is based on. From one set of official numbers to the next, their pattern/strategy applies. It doesn't matter that there are predraws. When it comes to that person's strategy, predraws don't exist.

                Yes Guru101, this is my belief as well.

                In reading this thread it has led me to look at another aspect of the predraws.

                In the matter of the predraws, are the predraws drawn in the same manner in which the official draws are made? Meaning, the amount of time given before, during & after each ball is drawn. In the televised segment there is only so much time, a limited time frame given to make the actual draw.

                However in the predraw phase is the timing the same as in the draw for the official #?

                You must understand that variations will make a difference in the draw results. The amount of rotations allowed to mix up the balls in the lower chamber, for each machine. The balls that pop up into the tube & are not drawn & are allowed to go back down into the lower chamber to mix & swirl around again until someone pulls a lever of some kind to release a ball & to then allow it to pop up & reveal itself as an actual draw #. The point being are the predraws handled with consistency? 

                As for me, as long as the lottery officials are consistent with the manner in which the actual official draws are made, then no, the predraws that are made behind the scenes do not corrupt my lottery strategy. 

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                  Btw, on May 16, 2008, 6:43 am  i posted something in my blog, just check it out. It happens this was for that evil Texas midday...
                  Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...

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                    Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated. 

                     

                     I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".

                    They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA.  That's right.

                     Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check. 

                     When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either.  I finally gave up and  left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away. 

                     My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.   

                     Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department."  What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.

                     Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?   

                      So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?

                     Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits?  At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.

                                                At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this?  Let em' swim in it!   

                                                               It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.    

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                      Posted: January 10, 2012, 5:41 pm - IP Logged

                      Btw, on May 16, 2008, 6:43 am  i posted something in my blog, just check it out. It happens this was for that evil Texas midday...
                      Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...

                      I might also add : that youve actually gotten a lot of free advertizing for your programs that other paid links would be highly pizzzzzzed off about if they knew this.... you are aware of that arent you....and i am still rather surprized that youre still here despite the fact.

                      and keeping with the topic at hand this thread never was about you or your program yet your followers who use your system just couldnt help from coming to your defense.

                      i think it might be time for me to use the troll away bug spray on you next.

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                         One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?

                        "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

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                           One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?

                          You aren't, pre-draw results are provided to assure the public that the equipment was tested and found to be working properly  before the official drawing.  Pre-draw results are usually posted with/after the official draw results.

                          Complaining about pre-draws is like complaining about your mechanic test driving your car after repairs messing up you mpg calculations.  It's the cost of doing the job right.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Besides, if you can't get them (pre draws) what good will they do? You can't analyze info that you don't have, so why even worry about them?

                            I would be interestered in looking at them though just to see if the sequence I was playing came out, but if the states don't really go out of their way to publish them, then they don't really help anyone.

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                              Posted: January 10, 2012, 11:33 pm - IP Logged

                               One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?

                              First off the pre-draws arent done to see if the machines are working correctly as sooooo many people mistakenly suppose this is just some of the horse shyyttt that the lotteries tell gullible players to keep them from wondering and to stay content while they are being robbed .... its purpose is to break up trends and to confound pick3 software that people use as a means of gaining an advantage which they cannot by the way

                              There are no due or missing elements because they have all hit in the pre-draws..... keep on playing those missing structures and the only thing that will be missing is the money in your wallet not that pick3 software developers would give a dayyumm.

                                 
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