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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Jan 9, 2012
It's all about intention, isn't it? Objectively speaking, why do gaming operators use countermeasures like ostensible pre-draw testing if the games were unbeatable? Anything that will throw off any number association, methodology or energy flow of the player, Sure in 10,000 games it all averages out but how about the next game you're waiting on?
Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)
'When you own the _wheel, its no longer a even chance game ' -Damon Runyon (legendary gaming expert)
No offence, Crow. may error but he errors on the side of the angels
EddessaKnight
Hiya, Eddessa
"Think about it.....recorded gaming history proves whenever we talk large money & in all forms of speculation including Wall St- big money attracts big scams/interference and becomes a cruel possibility (although not each & every time)"
Reminds of the electronic past numbers boards they placed on the Roulette tables so I could hear Crap players commenting on their Roulette number hitting.
Did the casinos put up those boards on demand of the players so they will have more data aiding them in beating the house or are they there so Crap players have something to talk about between rolls?
"No offence, Crow may error but he errors on the side of angels"
I Understand Crow's point, just questioning the usefulness of the missing data. Can those electronic past numbers boards change the odds on future Roulette outcomes?
Do the odds against the pill landing on a number become higher because that number just hit within the last four outcomes?
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Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
The odds are 1 in 1000. If I flip a coin, the odds are 50/50 (Well technically 49/51, but let's ignore that and call it 50/50).
That doesn't mean that if I flip it twice I'll have a heads and a tails, just in the same way that you won't see every number show over 1000 draws. The chance of you having one heads and one tails is 50%, while there's a 25% chance of either two head OR two tails.
The same can be applied to Pick 3, understanding that the odds are 1 in 1000, but also do the math and figure out the odds that any specific number will show within, say, 1000 draws. Of course that math you be harder because there's countless of ways 1000 pick 3 draws can happen, but it's still an finite amount of results.
The odds are always 1 in 1000 if you buy ONE STRAIGHT ticket. Otherwise it's x/1000 depending on how many straights you have covered (a box counting as 6 straights).
If you bought every combination, you have a 1000/1000 or 100% chance of losing half of your money. Degrees of certainty are not the same as odds. They are more like long term odds of specific events. And still, if you wanted to refer to degrees of certainty, the odds for any number over X amount of draws will be better than 1 in 1000. In fact, for 2 draws, I can say the odds of it showing at least once are....
(2/1000)-(1/1000000) or 1,999/1,000,000.
Of course, it just gets more and more complicated, and so it's not really something I'd want to do.
NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .
As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :
Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :
017 * 085 * 087 * 091 * 094 * 106 * 122 * 199 * 216 * 221 * 252 * 253 * 260 * 266 * 310 * 317 * 390 * 392 * 396 * 407 * 415 * 421 * 466 * 475 * 492 * 546 * 550 * 558 * 569 * 580 * 586 * 590 * 633 * 634 * 653 * 703 * 708 * 761 * 787 * 799 * 836 * 862 * 900 * 909 * 930 * 935 * 980 * 986 * 991 * 998
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Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 10, 2012
Yes the odds are 1/1000 but only if you play 1000 combinations which would mean you would only win 500 dollars in most states
The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can go into the 1000's of draws
and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws ?
This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted
"The odds are not 1/1000 for a single straight played combination because there are mathematical rules called degrees of certainty that has to be applied where the odds can go into the 1000's of draws"
Odds are generally expressed by a ratio of ways to lose compared to ways to win. The Pick 3 game has 1000 possible straight number outcomes so if you play one straight number, there are 999 ways to lose compared to 1 way to win; 999 to 1 odds. The degree of certainty applies when you play more than one straight number. Some people like to feel better by saying if they play 10 straight numbers their chances are 1 in 100, but in reality it's only a 1% chance of winning. They have 990 ways to lose compared to only 10 to win.
"and youre going to chance playing a combination that has already hit in the pre-draws?"
That's the one argument you're making that I find valid, but it can work both ways. If there is only a 3.3% chance of any of those 4 numbers repeating then it would make sense to throw them out. But there still is a 3.3% chance of throwing out the winning number.
"This is the point that ive been trying to make all along is that as long as there are pre-draws your data is being corrupted"
Other than asking me if I'd play one of the test numbers and calling the tests "missing data", you haven't provided any factual information of how the test draws corrupt the data. In Texas the results of the tests are available so why not use it to at least give some evidence of how the Texas test draws corrupt the Texas Pick 3 drawings data.
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Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 10, 2012
NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .
As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :
Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :
017 * 085 * 087 * 091 * 094 * 106 * 122 * 199 * 216 * 221 * 252 * 253 * 260 * 266 * 310 * 317 * 390 * 392 * 396 * 407 * 415 * 421 * 466 * 475 * 492 * 546 * 550 * 558 * 569 * 580 * 586 * 590 * 633 * 634 * 653 * 703 * 708 * 761 * 787 * 799 * 836 * 862 * 900 * 909 * 930 * 935 * 980 * 986 * 991 * 998
So what?
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
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Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
So what?
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated.
I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".
They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA. That's right.
Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check.
When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either. I finally gave up and left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away.
My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.
Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department." What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.
Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?
So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?
Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits? At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.
At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this? Let em' swim in it!
It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.
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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Jan 10, 2012
So what?
Just because the odds of an event are 1 in 1000, doesn't mean that you simply have to wait a certain number of draws for them to show. In fact if there are 1000 possibilities, chances are that many will take over 3000 draws to show. I'm not going to do the math to show that as it's fairly complicated, but it's essentially what I had written, expanded out to include the number of draws that you wish to test for.
There are easier, statistical tests, and software which can run through all possibilities.
If I flip a coin, with a 50/50 chance, chances are after 100 flips there WONT be exactly 50 of each, just close. Stretch that out to 1,000,000,000 flips and you'll be very, very, very close to 500,000,000 and 500,000,000 each. That's defined as 50/50 odds. That doesn't mean after 4 spins, it's impossible to have 4 heads.
The same applies to pick 3. The odds (probablity of any specific straight) are 1 in 1000, therefore, after 3000 spins, there are more than likely some straights that have not shown, as you have shown.
If pre-draws mess up strategy, this would mean, it is inherent to it per definition, the statistics of structures would show this. So when you have a strategy that uses structures, you are scr.w.d... according to some...
I could just write "no, not true", or "yes, very true" and be on my way.
Or, i could show data collected from different "games" and compare the data to see which side i should pick.
This is usually how scientist do it. They don't just say "the moon is 100 miles away" and another says "no, the moon is 1000000 miles away".
To find out how far the moon is, they will measure the distance and come to a conclusion based on that data, based on facts.
Any given structure is "created" with a set of numbers. For example the HHH pattern will have 125 numbers (straight).Ideally, this structure should show itself in the draws once in every 8 draws. Whenever a number with only high digits comes in, this is a HHH.
This means the Mathematical Average skip can be used to observe if the Real Average skip is far off. In a "fixed" game this would show, in real life when you throw a coin, from which each side has a Mathematical Average skip of 2, you will find one side will sometimes fall several times in a row before the other side falls. No one is fixing behind your back or when you blinked, it is just the way it is.This goes for any structure there is. Some structures have 125 straight numbers, others have for example 27 numbers (OSS OpenStraightStraight)
If pre-draws mess up, this would mean this would be shown in the statistics.
Below is a grid of some straight structures: HighLow, OddEven, DigitSort (LMH), OpenClosedStraight, LMH structured numbers (L:0, 1, 2 and M: 3, 4, 5, 6 and H: 7, 8, 9) and InOut.
The first column show the (short)name of the structure, the second column shows the Mathematical Average skip.
In this grid you will find the following "states"
Texas midday - real draws: these are the draws on which you can bet
Texas midday - Pre-draws: these are the draws on which you can not bet, they are held before the real draw
Texas midday - Pre-draws + real draws: a combination of both the real draws and the pre-draws.
New Jersey evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : New Jersey is a ball machine game
California Evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : California uses a RNG (Random Number Generator, or simply put, a computer)
RNG 3570 draws: This is not a real state, it has draws that were created using my own Random Number Generator (just the same as you can find here at LP)For each of these "states" the grid shows how many times a structure has "hit", and the RealTime average skip has been calculated.
Up to you to compare the data, compare average skips, and come to your own conclusion.
No hocus pocus here, just facts!. . Texas midday NJ Eve (last 10 years) CA eve (last 10 years) RNG 3570 draws (10 years draws) . . Real draws Pre-draws Pre-draws and real draws . . . . . . Straight stats Math Av skip Times Av. skip Times Av. skip Times Av. skip Times Av. skip Times Av. skip Times Av. skip HHH 8 388 7,83 1011 7,46 1399 7,57 408 8,75 426 8,38 471 7,58 HHL 8 380 8, 929 8,12 1309 8,09 408 8,75 470 7,6 441 8,1 HLH 8 345 8,81 926 8,15 1271 8,33 448 7,97 413 8,65 452 7,9 LHH 8 406 7,49 926 8,15 1332 7,95 442 8,08 448 7,97 439 8,13 LLL 8 360 8,44 890 8,48 1250 8,47 485 7,36 470 7,6 426 8,38 LLH 8 380 8, 944 7,99 1324 7,99 521 6,86 467 7,65 449 7,95 LHL 8 401 7,58 961 7,85 1362 7,77 414 8,63 476 7,5 441 8,1 HLL 8 379 8,02 959 7,87 1338 7,91 446 8,01 402 8,89 451 7,92 EEE 8 401 7,58 939 8,04 1340 7,9 456 7,83 488 7,32 484 7,38 EEO 8 355 8,56 901 8,38 1256 8,43 496 7,2 456 7,83 456 7,83 EOE 8 393 7,73 964 7,83 1357 7,8 401 8,91 406 8,8 473 7,55 OEE 8 364 8,35 978 7,72 1342 7,89 453 7,89 463 7,71 419 8,52 OOO 8 359 8,47 944 7,99 1303 8,12 448 7,97 429 8,33 416 8,58 OOE 8 380 8, 955 7,9 1335 7,93 411 8,69 424 8,42 436 8,19 OEO 8 393 7,73 903 8,36 1296 8,17 421 8,48 432 8,27 447 7,99 EOO 8 394 7,71 962 7,84 1356 7,81 486 7,35 474 7,54 439 8,13 LMH 7,69 359 8,47 926 8,15 1285 8,24 445 8,03 430 8,31 444 8,04 LHM 7,69 409 7,43 925 8,16 1334 7,93 430 8,31 439 8,14 427 8,36 MLH 7,69 364 8,35 853 8,85 1217 8,7 450 7,94 443 8,06 460 7,76 MHL 7,69 361 8,42 886 8,52 1247 8,49 405 8,82 462 7,73 426 8,38 HLM 7,69 342 8,89 929 8,12 1271 8,33 432 8,27 409 8,73 402 8,88 HML 7,69 391 7,77 908 8,31 1299 8,15 386 9,25 442 8,08 424 8,42 LLH 18,18 130 23,38 349 21,62 479 22,1 191 18,7 143 24,98 154 23,18 LHL 18,18 137 22,18 346 21,81 483 21,92 148 24,14 153 23,35 154 23,18 HLL 18,18 132 23,02 336 22,46 468 22,62 158 22,61 164 21,78 163 21,9 LHH 18,18 141 21,55 320 23,58 461 22,96 163 21,91 132 27,06 173 20,64 HLH 18,18 137 22,18 347 21,75 484 21,87 153 23,35 167 21,39 137 26,06 HHL 18,18 110 27,63 345 21,87 455 23,26 169 21,14 150 23,81 167 21,38 OCS 27,77 117 25,97 278 27,14 395 26,8 112 31,89 126 28,35 125 28,56 OSC 27,77 104 29,22 269 28,05 373 28,38 155 23,05 128 27,91 132 27,05 COS 27,77 107 28,4 272 27,74 379 27,93 128 27,91 134 26,66 114 31,32 CSO 27,77 109 27,88 299 25,24 408 25,94 109 32,77 137 26,07 136 26,25 SOC 27,77 120 25,33 266 28,37 386 27,42 129 27,69 130 27,48 124 28,79 SCO 27,77 107 28,4 245 30,8 352 30,07 122 29,28 128 27,91 142 25,14 OOO 37,04 76 39,99 195 38,7 271 39,06 104 34,35 94 38, 92 38,8 OOC 27,77 93 32,68 294 25,67 387 27,35 139 25,7 113 31,61 137 26,06 OCO 27,77 114 26,66 270 27,95 384 27,57 147 24,3 132 27,06 119 30, COO 27,77 92 33,03 294 25,67 386 27,42 145 24,63 117 30,53 121 29,5 OOS 37,04 85 35,75 209 36,11 294 36, 90 39,69 81 44,1 92 38,8 OSO 37,04 72 42,21 191 39,51 263 40,25 102 35,02 103 34,68 85 42, SOO 37,04 74 41,07 200 37,73 274 38,63 89 40,13 104 34,35 92 38,8 CCC 15,63 196 15,51 466 16,19 662 15,99 222 16,09 222 16,09 246 14,51 CCO 20,83 136 22,35 373 20,23 509 20,8 153 23,35 165 21,65 183 19,51 COC 20,83 164 18,53 372 20,28 536 19,75 160 22,33 188 19, 178 20,06 OCC 20,83 150 20,26 365 20,67 515 20,55 174 20,53 184 19,41 177 20,17 CCS 20,83 161 18,88 337 22,39 498 21,26 176 20,3 179 19,96 170 21, CSC 20,83 129 23,56 351 21,5 480 22,05 166 21,52 171 20,89 204 17,5 SCC 20,83 153 19,86 366 20,62 519 20,39 158 22,61 173 20,65 164 21,77 SSS 37,04 67 45,36 199 37,92 266 39,79 112 31,89 105 34,02 77 46,36 SSO 37,04 75 40,52 219 34,46 294 36, 108 33,07 111 32,18 109 32,75 SOS 37,04 87 34,93 189 39,93 276 38,35 101 35,37 84 42,52 71 50,28 OSS 37,04 82 37,06 198 38,11 280 37,8 95 37,6 98 36,45 113 31,59 SSC 27,77 114 26,66 289 26,11 403 26,27 131 27,27 104 34,35 135 26,44 SCS 27,77 130 23,38 269 28,05 399 26,53 127 28,13 133 26,86 105 34, CSS 27,77 125 24,31 271 27,85 396 26,73 118 30,27 128 27,91 127 28,11 LMH 27,77 111 27,38 261 28,91 372 28,45 140 25,51 123 29,04 144 24,79 LHM 27,77 126 24,12 302 24,99 428 24,73 115 31,06 124 28,81 127 28,11 MLH 27,77 97 31,33 254 29,71 351 30,16 139 25,7 128 27,91 126 28,33 MHL 27,77 127 23,93 253 29,83 380 27,86 115 31,06 155 23,05 137 26,06 HLM 27,77 85 35,75 261 28,91 346 30,59 140 25,51 109 32,77 105 34, HML 27,77 108 28,14 277 27,24 385 27,49 103 34,68 116 30,79 131 27,25 LLL 37,04 74 41,07 192 39,3 266 39,79 101 35,37 100 35,72 98 36,43 LLM 27,77 119 25,54 247 30,55 366 28,92 144 24,81 132 27,06 111 32,16 LML 27,77 104 29,22 247 30,55 351 30,16 127 28,13 145 24,63 114 31,32 MLL 27,77 126 24,12 280 26,95 406 26,07 128 27,91 138 25,88 131 27,25 LLH 37,04 81 37,52 205 36,81 286 37,01 115 31,06 98 36,45 119 30, LHL 37,04 98 31,01 226 33,39 324 32,67 98 36,45 88 40,59 108 33,06 HLL 37,04 86 35,34 193 39,1 279 37,94 87 41,06 107 33,38 91 39,23 MMM 15,63 182 16,7 494 15,28 676 15,66 225 15,88 237 15,07 227 15,73 MML 20,83 127 23,93 367 20,56 494 21,43 198 18,04 163 21,91 158 22,59 MLM 20,83 128 23,74 362 20,85 490 21,6 169 21,14 162 22,05 169 21,12 LMM 20,83 142 21,4 354 21,32 496 21,34 192 18,6 175 20,41 167 21,38 MMH 20,83 140 21,71 388 19,45 528 20,05 178 20,07 163 21,91 165 21,64 MHM 20,83 149 20,4 372 20,28 521 20,32 156 22,9 185 19,31 156 22,88 HMM 20,83 151 20,13 388 19,45 539 19,64 156 22,9 168 21,26 175 20,4 HHH 37,04 87 34,93 191 39,51 278 38,08 83 43,04 91 39,25 96 37,19 HHL 37,04 78 38,96 216 34,94 294 36, 107 33,38 91 39,25 92 38,8 HLH 37,04 82 37,06 211 35,76 293 36,13 100 35,72 92 38,83 93 38,39 LHH 37,04 91 33,4 194 38,9 285 37,14 85 42,02 100 35,72 98 36,43 HHM 27,77 92 33,03 272 27,74 364 29,08 106 33,7 128 27,91 143 24,97 HMH 27,77 127 23,93 266 28,37 393 26,93 124 28,81 141 25,33 132 27,05 MHH 27,77 121 25,12 273 27,64 394 26,87 141 25,33 113 31,61 157 22,74 III 8 364 8,35 971 7,77 1335 7,93 430 8,31 468 7,63 445 8,02 IIO 8 347 8,76 976 7,73 1323 8, 467 7,65 407 8,78 433 8,24 IOI 8 362 8,4 951 7,93 1313 8,06 430 8,31 436 8,19 421 8,48 OII 8 372 8,17 978 7,72 1350 7,84 447 7,99 450 7,94 433 8,24 OOI 8 410 7,41 909 8,3 1319 8,03 446 8,01 431 8,29 407 8,77 OIO 8 395 7,69 910 8,29 1305 8,11 429 8,33 491 7,27 472 7,56 IOO 8 408 7,45 897 8,41 1305 8,11 473 7,55 452 7,9 468 7,63 OOO 8 381 7,98 954 7,91 1335 7,93 450 7,94 437 8,17 491 7,27 Let's say i would have removed the name of the "states", is anyone out there that could tell wich "state" is which?
Anyone claiming the pre-draws mess up everything should be able to do so, since they make a claim the data is corrupt, biased, name it... based on ... yes, based on what?
lasas3
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Texas dirty little secret: Sometimes they put more than one box hit in the pre-test to mess with you!!!!
3 of the 5 draws have combinations of 0, 5, 9. You would think they could come up with some better pre-test numbers.
These look too RANDOM!
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Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Jan 9, 2012
I don't think I explained very well why predraws don't affect a strategy/system for picking the official winning numbers for the next drawing. When someone comes up with a pattern or some other strategy for picking numbers, they are comparing an official winning numbers to the previous official winning numbers. This is exactly what their pattern/strategy is based on. From one set of official numbers to the next, their pattern/strategy applies. It doesn't matter that there are predraws. When it comes to that person's strategy, predraws don't exist.
Yes Guru101, this is my belief as well.
In reading this thread it has led me to look at another aspect of the predraws.
In the matter of the predraws, are the predraws drawn in the same manner in which the official draws are made? Meaning, the amount of time given before, during & after each ball is drawn. In the televised segment there is only so much time, a limited time frame given to make the actual draw.
However in the predraw phase is the timing the same as in the draw for the official #?
You must understand that variations will make a difference in the draw results. The amount of rotations allowed to mix up the balls in the lower chamber, for each machine. The balls that pop up into the tube & are not drawn & are allowed to go back down into the lower chamber to mix & swirl around again until someone pulls a lever of some kind to release a ball & to then allow it to pop up & reveal itself as an actual draw #. The point being are the predraws handled with consistency?
As for me, as long as the lottery officials are consistent with the manner in which the actual official draws are made, then no, the predraws that are made behind the scenes do not corrupt my lottery strategy.
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Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...lasas3
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Quote: Originally posted by Prometheus1 on Jan 10, 2012
Thank you Boney. Great try. Just add those with all the other great points and explanations shot down here. Consider this below however, before you become too frustrated.
I hate my bank which I will just call "Big Bank".
They're one of, if not the biggest bank in the country. Their customer service has completly gone south since I started with them years ago. Last month they first said they could not cash a check. Then changed it to would not cash another certified bank check to me written on a bank in Canada. What ? It's my local branch of the RBA. That's right.
Then the manager changed it again. He said they could cash it but they would have to charge me a exchange fee. What? Yes, that's what she said. Why? She said it was because it was Canadian Dollars. It stated U.S. right on the check.
When I pointed out the Canadian Bank had hundreds of branches here in America and the check CLEARLY states U.S. Dollars on the certified check that did not impress them either. I finally gave up and left in the cold and rain and went to my OTHER bank several miles away.
My little bank laughed when I told them the story and what happened at "BIG BANK" right after they quickly cashed the certified check with U.S. dollars written on it.
Next day, I was still angry and spent a very long frustrating time attempting to talk to a real live person at the main bank's "Customer Service Department." What a waste of time and energy and it was over period of Hours.
Then, I ask myself, Why are you going through all of this now? You hate this Bloated Big Bank now right? You hate them and want them to go away forever. Now you're going to waste a large hunk of your day just for their benefit and to help them improve their Gross Customer Service?
So, I hung up and cancelled all of my old savings and checking accounts at Big Bank. The way we were treated and embarrassed by these stiff neck morons?
Why should we waste time as an unpaid consultant improving their lives and profits? At first I did try to help Big Bank overcome their hard headed, rude, stubborn business ignorance.
At some point you have to ask yourself "Why"are we doing this? Let em' swim in it!
It's just natures way of taking them out. They take themselves out.
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Quote: Originally posted by paurths on Jan 10, 2012
Btw, on May 16, 2008, 6:43 am i posted something in my blog, just check it out. It happens this was for that evil Texas midday...
Click on view and add comments for that entry in my blog, there i made another entry on May 21, 2008, 2:09 pm , and judge for yourself...I might also add : that youve actually gotten a lot of free advertizing for your programs that other paid links would be highly pizzzzzzed off about if they knew this.... you are aware of that arent you....and i am still rather surprized that youre still here despite the fact.
and keeping with the topic at hand this thread never was about you or your program yet your followers who use your system just couldnt help from coming to your defense.
i think it might be time for me to use the troll away bug spray on you next.
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100Same #'s. Different games.United States
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OfflineOne simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jan 10, 2012
One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
You aren't, pre-draw results are provided to assure the public that the equipment was tested and found to be working properly before the official drawing. Pre-draw results are usually posted with/after the official draw results.
Complaining about pre-draws is like complaining about your mechanic test driving your car after repairs messing up you mpg calculations. It's the cost of doing the job right.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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100Same #'s. Different games.United States
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April 24, 2010
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OfflineBesides, if you can't get them (pre draws) what good will they do? You can't analyze info that you don't have, so why even worry about them?
I would be interestered in looking at them though just to see if the sequence I was playing came out, but if the states don't really go out of their way to publish them, then they don't really help anyone.
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jan 10, 2012
One simple question. Since most states do not make the pre draw results readily available early enough before the drawings to use them anyway, how are we supposed to use them in making our picks for that draw?
First off the pre-draws arent done to see if the machines are working correctly as sooooo many people mistakenly suppose this is just some of the horse shyyttt that the lotteries tell gullible players to keep them from wondering and to stay content while they are being robbed .... its purpose is to break up trends and to confound pick3 software that people use as a means of gaining an advantage which they cannot by the way
There are no due or missing elements because they have all hit in the pre-draws..... keep on playing those missing structures and the only thing that will be missing is the money in your wallet not that pick3 software developers would give a dayyumm.