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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Posted: January 7, 2012, 1:53 pm - IP Logged

it's funny, cause just about everyday i see people here writing about the many strategies they use for p-3 and p-4, yet most of their strategies go right out the window with pretests.  personally, i don't chase overdue numbers or pairs for the very reason of pretests, so people like me want pretest info soley for flow and feel of where the numbers are headed. it could be repeating pairs, prior dates that go along with those pairs, dates that go along with certain combos, and so much more that has nothing to do with missing anything or overdue numbers.

so far, we've only touched on pretests in this thread, but there's still another monkey wrench with the rotation of the machines themselves, and the ball set rotations.

hey, maybe with all those interferences combined, but the time the real draw occur, it goes full circle.ha


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    Well since you have the winning combinations most of the time why would you even want me to post any of my choices in the first place....that was what you just asked me to share with you.

    Just stop bickering & play your winning numbers!

    I know how you love to argue so this is the last word I will say about it!

    If you wish to continue enjoy yourself!Drum

    Hey wait a minute you left without me getting that kiss...!!!

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      Forget it Crow, they don't get it and never will.

      there's a time-line of events that occur, and to get a good picture of where it may be heading, you first have to be able to map out it's direction. It's just that simple. once those mapped events are missing, you might as well buy QPs because what's the point of tracking unfolding events that are being disrupted.

      oh well.

      Thanks somer,

      you are very wise and are opened minded enough to see the truth.

      I sometimes think that in this case these people dont want to admit that they have been duped by the software they are using ....they want to believe that what they are doing is true which btw is part of the problem.... its pretty much akin to brainwashing.

      Yeah, im pretty much tired of trying to convince everyone of the obvious and after all it was taught at one time that the world was flat even though overwhelming evidence proved otherwise.

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         Think about it..... Don't do it. You could put made up ....make believe data in there too and change it. Why would you do that ?  We make decisions based on what we know and normal statistical expectations based on "That" particular ..specific data. .....a specific Matrix ...with a certain amount of draws.

         Why would you intentionally over complicate your data with extraneous crap?  Many people mix day and night draws but believe me the normal expectations never ......never change if they do that. They just end up playing 2 times a day and spending twice as much. But, the data is the same. 

         I could play ALL of the STATE games at the same time ......all I have to do is divide by 60 States results.....and get the same thing.  The same expectations again.  If I left out one of those states ....that would be OK as long as I am consistent... the same results will occur. 

         

                                 At the end of the year I will still get ...+/- 262 singles.....99 doubles ....and 3.65 doubles    x  60 States 

                           I wil still get my same +/- 22 all odds .....22 all evens ... 22 all High and Low ...all in and outs ...    x 60 states 

        Seems like Crow can't see the forrest for the trees!!! Believe the obvious. Don't get mixed up with imaginary thoughts and ideas. "That which happens most often will continue to happen most often!!" There is a time and season for all things including the daily draws!!! Don't let Marge throw you a curb ball and think she will never throw a slider!! Please learn your game!!!! We as a team should agree on this simple fact> "The Daily Games" were not designed for us to make money!! They were designed for the state to increase it's coffers!! Every true idea we come up with as a "team" is a plus that tilts the odds in our favor!!!

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          The only thing that is "POINTLESS" is your commentary that has little or nothing to do with the subject matter at hand and i can understand that given your lack of the fundamentals regarding math and statistics. I see this type of idiocy constantly posted through out this forum where its almost taken as dogma, which is in of itself rather sad to say the least.

          Since when is hidden data in the form of pre-draws fair game ?

          The point ive been trying to make over and over again that is if you had take time to read it was : pre-draws change the dynamics of the game because no one really knows just what structure is missing an what is not .

          CRYING FOUL GOES NOWHERE ?

          You may wanna go an tell all the wallstreet protesters that and see what the counter-rebuttal would be

          Hi,

           "Since when is hidden data in the form of pre-draws fair game"

           It adds an extra element of unpredictability that gives everyone the same chance of winning.

           Changing the dynamics of the game gives everyone the same chance of winning.

           Call me names, try to discredit my math skills, or try any other type of charater assissination, but the fact is that you need to adjust to the very methods you are complaining about.

           Good luck

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             Think about it..... Don't do it. You could put made up ....make believe data in there too and change it. Why would you do that ?  We make decisions based on what we know and normal statistical expectations based on "That" particular ..specific data. .....a specific Matrix ...with a certain amount of draws.

             Why would you intentionally over complicate your data with extraneous crap?  Many people mix day and night draws but believe me the normal expectations never ......never change if they do that. They just end up playing 2 times a day and spending twice as much. But, the data is the same. 

             I could play ALL of the STATE games at the same time ......all I have to do is divide by 60 States results.....and get the same thing.  The same expectations again.  If I left out one of those states ....that would be OK as long as I am consistent... the same results will occur. 

             

                                     At the end of the year I will still get ...+/- 262 singles.....99 doubles ....and 3.65 doubles    x  60 States 

                               I wil still get my same +/- 22 all odds .....22 all evens ... 22 all High and Low ...all in and outs ...    x 60 states 

            WIN D rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

            Hurray!

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              Hi,

               "Since when is hidden data in the form of pre-draws fair game"

               It adds an extra element of unpredictability that gives everyone the same chance of winning.

               Changing the dynamics of the game gives everyone the same chance of winning.

               Call me names, try to discredit my math skills, or try any other type of charater assissination, but the fact is that you need to adjust to the very methods you are complaining about.

               Good luck

              This has to be the most ignorant posts ive ever read in all my days here on lotterypost.

              I can somewhat overlook the trolls who post here given their intent is just to create chaos  however the above is a whole different matter all together.

              Feel free to troll someone else's thread.....

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                 Think about it..... Don't do it. You could put made up ....make believe data in there too and change it. Why would you do that ?  We make decisions based on what we know and normal statistical expectations based on "That" particular ..specific data. .....a specific Matrix ...with a certain amount of draws.

                 Why would you intentionally over complicate your data with extraneous crap?  Many people mix day and night draws but believe me the normal expectations never ......never change if they do that. They just end up playing 2 times a day and spending twice as much. But, the data is the same. 

                 I could play ALL of the STATE games at the same time ......all I have to do is divide by 60 States results.....and get the same thing.  The same expectations again.  If I left out one of those states ....that would be OK as long as I am consistent... the same results will occur. 

                 

                                         At the end of the year I will still get ...+/- 262 singles.....99 doubles ....and 3.65 doubles    x  60 States 

                                   I wil still get my same +/- 22 all odds .....22 all evens ... 22 all High and Low ...all in and outs ...    x 60 states 

                If a person was concerned that test drawings had an effect on whatever pattern they think they see, it would be worth over-complicating their data, at least once, just for their own peace of mind. They would get their answer one way or the other.

                Not much different than asking for an idea to be tested against another state's draw history in a similar game.

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                  Hi,

                   "Since when is hidden data in the form of pre-draws fair game"

                   It adds an extra element of unpredictability that gives everyone the same chance of winning.

                   Changing the dynamics of the game gives everyone the same chance of winning.

                   Call me names, try to discredit my math skills, or try any other type of charater assissination, but the fact is that you need to adjust to the very methods you are complaining about.

                   Good luck

                  you must be an employee at the lottery ball flow disruption central office commitee...Hit With Stick

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                    Hi,

                     "Since when is hidden data in the form of pre-draws fair game"

                     It adds an extra element of unpredictability that gives everyone the same chance of winning.

                     Changing the dynamics of the game gives everyone the same chance of winning.

                     Call me names, try to discredit my math skills, or try any other type of charater assissination, but the fact is that you need to adjust to the very methods you are complaining about.

                     Good luck

                    Excellent points! 

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                      Concerning the 'missing' draws, meaning the pre-draws, to build up a history to be used for statistical purpose, i'd say they very much mess up any statistic. But in such a way that short-term will be 'infected', not the long run.

                      Yet, crow, and i assume you have studied statistics produced by any software you are refering to, you'd see that the statistics that are spit out are pretty normal.
                      What i mean with this is, learn to write code, pretty basic, create a random number generator, and let it spit out some 300 000 pick3 draws. Then run the statistics against it.
                      What do you think you'll find as a result?

                      Mathematically, and this is just for examples sake, an all even number (there are 125 of them) will show up once every 8 draws.

                      I've ran tests, plenty of them, and guess what, the "real time" average floats around that 8 draws-average. It might have an average of 10 draws somewhere along the line, and then after another 10000 draws, the average drops below 8, to 7 or so. I've never seen it drop to an average of 2 draws, or 32 draws. Not anywhere,  not in any pick 3 game i have data for.
                      To make it real interesting, get yourself a set of balls, put numbers on them, and perform your own draws, another 5000 or so. Then look at the statistics.

                      The statistics will always 'bend' to the mathematical average. They will float around it.

                       

                      I have kept the pre-draws of Texas for a while, since they publish them in an excellent format and i only had to download, write a small macro to transform so they'd fit into my database, and guess what?

                      0 point 0 difference on the statistics.

                       

                      Before you call this any name, i can back up what i am writing here. Gigabytes of data.

                      Can you?

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                        Concerning the 'missing' draws, meaning the pre-draws, to build up a history to be used for statistical purpose, i'd say they very much mess up any statistic. But in such a way that short-term will be 'infected', not the long run.

                        Yet, crow, and i assume you have studied statistics produced by any software you are refering to, you'd see that the statistics that are spit out are pretty normal.
                        What i mean with this is, learn to write code, pretty basic, create a random number generator, and let it spit out some 300 000 pick3 draws. Then run the statistics against it.
                        What do you think you'll find as a result?

                        Mathematically, and this is just for examples sake, an all even number (there are 125 of them) will show up once every 8 draws.

                        I've ran tests, plenty of them, and guess what, the "real time" average floats around that 8 draws-average. It might have an average of 10 draws somewhere along the line, and then after another 10000 draws, the average drops below 8, to 7 or so. I've never seen it drop to an average of 2 draws, or 32 draws. Not anywhere,  not in any pick 3 game i have data for.
                        To make it real interesting, get yourself a set of balls, put numbers on them, and perform your own draws, another 5000 or so. Then look at the statistics.

                        The statistics will always 'bend' to the mathematical average. They will float around it.

                         

                        I have kept the pre-draws of Texas for a while, since they publish them in an excellent format and i only had to download, write a small macro to transform so they'd fit into my database, and guess what?

                        0 point 0 difference on the statistics.

                         

                        Before you call this any name, i can back up what i am writing here. Gigabytes of data.

                        Can you?

                        statistics stay the same? everyone uses the statistics differently.

                        as for your rng of 300,000 rngs do not represent a ball drawing. ball draws don't have a specific seed/s that they go by. you hanging around jimmy too long...ha

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                          statistics stay the same? everyone uses the statistics differently.

                          as for your rng of 300,000 rngs do not represent a ball drawing. ball draws don't have a specific seed/s that they go by. you hanging around jimmy too long...ha

                          Waw, funny...

                          I assume you know what you are talking about. How many tests have performed concerning this matter?

                          Okay, so the RNG is very different from ball drawings then, concerning statistics?

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                            This has to be the most ignorant posts ive ever read in all my days here on lotterypost.

                            I can somewhat overlook the trolls who post here given their intent is just to create chaos  however the above is a whole different matter all together.

                            Feel free to troll someone else's thread.....

                            Hi,

                             My last comments...

                             I'm sorry the lottery does revolve around you, perhaps someone will offer you a hug to ease your fustrations, and maybe Todd will offer you an LP blankie to cuddle up with at night.

                             When you are done feeling sorry for yourself, you might actually consider doing something. Maybe, offering possible solutions or actions to resolve the problem.

                             Sorry, I don't have any cheese for your whine.

                             Best of luck.

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                              statistics stay the same? everyone uses the statistics differently.

                              as for your rng of 300,000 rngs do not represent a ball drawing. ball draws don't have a specific seed/s that they go by. you hanging around jimmy too long...ha

                              Here's an example of the top of my head, just picked GA eve which is a ball game, and DE eve which is a RNG

                              First 6 and last 6 sums are left out because they have mathematical average skips that are over factor 100 against the total draws used.

                              First column is the sum, second column is the mathematical average skip of a sum, third column is the (real) average skip of the sums for DE eve, and the fourth column is the (real) average skip of the sums for GA eve.

                               

                              Total draws 4020DE EVEGA EVE
                              SumMath Av. skipAv. skipAv. skip
                              635,7138,2137,95
                              727,7728,6630,02
                              822,2223,1922,47
                              918,1818,7518,89
                              1015,8714,1815,59
                              1114,4913,3314,37
                              1213,6914,5414,32
                              1313,3313,1112,53
                              1413,3313,8314,79
                              1513,6914,1313,73
                              1614,4914,0813,28
                              1715,8717,1516,22
                              1818,1817,7518,63
                              1922,2220,919,62
                              2027,7728,8628,94
                              2135,7136,4734,98

                              These are the sums from 6 through 21, big difference, isn't it? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

                               

                              Now, since you are so full of yourself when saying the difference between an RNG and a ball drawing, what would you say i post the statistics of 10 games, 5 will be ball draws, and 5 will be RNG, and you say which are the RNG and which are the Ball drawn games?
                              Up to it?
                              This really should not be a problem for you, looking at your previous posts about this matter.

                              Wanna give it a try?
                              (I'm confident you will give it a try, over 5000 views on this thread, your 15 minutes of fame might just be coming up Jester )

                               

                              Or will you take your fast car and keep on driving

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