Park City, UT United States Member #69864 January 18, 2009 993 Posts Offline

Posted: June 9, 2012, 5:35 pm - IP Logged

I just had a "slaps hand to head of course moment", a quick paper and pencil examination seems to back it up. I'm going to have to write a program to verify across the history of a game. But it looks very promising to run a NN over the numbers.

MA United States Member #89094 March 30, 2010 245 Posts Offline

Posted: June 9, 2012, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

Jim:

Please keep us posted on this please!

Also, do any other users have any ideas on getting the main lines drawn down to the recommended 160-470 range? I have been trying to narrow the filters but always miss the drawn setting by 1 or 2. Problem is I'm aving trouble deciding which groups or digits to block in the upcoming draw. Has anyone tried playing with te decades yet? And if so how is it working for you?

Would like to get some input from some users so we can all come up with a plan as this still is all very new to me.

New Mexico United States Member #86099 January 29, 2010 11119 Posts Offline

Posted: June 9, 2012, 8:13 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by meskhov on June 9, 2012

Jim:

Please keep us posted on this please!

Also, do any other users have any ideas on getting the main lines drawn down to the recommended 160-470 range? I have been trying to narrow the filters but always miss the drawn setting by 1 or 2. Problem is I'm aving trouble deciding which groups or digits to block in the upcoming draw. Has anyone tried playing with te decades yet? And if so how is it working for you?

Would like to get some input from some users so we can all come up with a plan as this still is all very new to me.

Thank You

M

I have to watch the videos again if they are still up. I don't have a clue. Great program but I have to start from scratch since I just watched the first few videos. I have not even got any outputs so I'm too green to help for now.

"AiNet is a very powerful and simple tool for solving the problems which are usually solved with artificial neural networks (ANN). The tests that we have run, have proved that the results obtained with aiNet are at least as good as the results obtained with other ANNs.

Here are some of aiNet’s features.

C The major attribute that distinguishes aiNet from other ANNs is the analysis speed. Since aiNet uses an algorithm, which does not require any learning phase, the answers about prediction can be obtained almost immediately.

C There is also only one coefficient (penalty coefficient), which has a major effect on the results. If we neglect some aspects, we can claim that knowing the right value for this coefficient solves the entire problem. One would now probably expect that it is hard to determine the optimal value of the coefficient. On the contrary, it is quite easy! All you need to do is to try different values and finally select the most successful one. According to our results there is only one optimal value for the penalty coefficient. Fortunately, the results are not sensitive to the optimal value. This means that if you slightly change the penalty coefficient from the optimal value, the results will not change much (if at all). The optimal curve is usually shallow at the optimal point."

spot9

If anyone has trouble using the program I found the following information:

"Recently, we got several reports that the program's trial period expires after the first try. To overcome the problem we are issuing a general user name and password. You can use them to give the program a try, however, if you find yourself using the program on a regular basis, you are bound to pay for the program ($49 US) and to obtain your own user name and password.

User name: Trial registration

Password: ab3bzziqdd

After you entered the user name and password, you need to exit the program and start it over again."

If anyone has trouble using the program I found the following information:

"Recently, we got several reports that the program's trial period expires after the first try. To overcome the problem we are issuing a general user name and password. You can use them to give the program a try, however, if you find yourself using the program on a regular basis, you are bound to pay for the program ($49 US) and to obtain your own user name and password.

User name: Trial registration

Password: ab3bzziqdd

After you entered the user name and password, you need to exit the program and start it over again."

Hi guys

After reading the last few post if feel it nessary to post a few things that you may want to consider. The first may

seem bland, but the drawing is random. It is human nature to want to find some sort of order in the numbers but

I feel this is moving in the wrong direction. While patterns and trends may be common when using hindsight they

don't offer much concerning the next draw. Most neural networks or at least the good ones will state that they

are not designed to be used with random data. What we may see as a pattern, trend, etc.. is most likely just a

series of chance events that may or may not continue but if they do it is not because of anything that has happened

in the past. The chance that you will find enough information to allow you to predict the next set is almost null. DM

has no predictive qualities for a reason and is not intended to be used as a predictor but a tool. I have stated many

times that the next set drawn will come from the matrix, not the history. Understand this and you will understand DM

and have much better success. What happens most is a product of the matrix not the system used to generate the

numbers. The draw history should be treated as a mini matrix and the analysis used by DM is geared 100% around

this basic concept. Let me explain, mega millions has 3,819,816 combos of 5 number sets. Of these sets of numbers

1,701,056 have at least one digit 6, so 1,701,056 / 3,819,816 = 44.5%. In the last 706 drawings there have been 315

drawings that had at least one digit 6, 315/706=44.6% so we can conclude that the drawings have followed the matrix

to within .1 percent. If we know that 44.5 percent of the sets in the matrix have at least one digit 6 it is easy to

understand why 44.6 of the drawings also have at least one digit 6. It would be nice it 4.4 draws out of every 10 would

have at least one 6 in the set and many times it will. This however is not always the case, in the last 10 drawings the digit

6 has only come out twice. 7 times in the last 20 draws and 15 in the last 30, 15/30=50%. We can see that digit 6 shows

a deficit for the last 10 drawings but is above it's average for the last 30. Many of the filters used by DM will follow this

rule and you will see clusters of shows and no-shows. If 4.4 of every 10 draws had at least one digit 6 then the drawing

would not be random. This is the quandry we face in trying to make a setup but if we think about this we can make some

very good guesses. We often face two choices with every filter setting, either the value is waxing or waining. To put it

simple the value is ready to start a cluster or moving out of one. If these clusters formed a perfect sine wave then the draw

would not be random so while the values do cluster the trough between them is not stable and fluctuates back and forth.

On a even larger scale if the fluctuations happened at regular intervales then the draw would not be random and could be

predicted. You should be getting a better understanding of how I see the data. Random will defy logic and that is why many

times the draw will do the exact oppsite of what we expect. If we know what it takes to be random then we can start to

play randomly, I am not talking about just pulling a value out of the air and playing it, I am saying, play some of what makes

random, random. If we base our decisions on a pattern we are sure to be made a fool by the next drawing. It takes a while

to be able to tune your mind to analyze the data in this way but take another look at the tools I have provided and they should

make a little more sense. Throw a little of what makes random random into your selections. I admit that it takes a while to

learn to do this but when you find your self making selections that don't make any real logical sense without having to think

about them then you are well on your way.

RL

Working on my Ph.D. "University of hard Knocks"

I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not. Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

United States Member #41846 June 23, 2006 459 Posts Online

Posted: June 10, 2012, 7:58 am - IP Logged

Spot9 I have looked at the NN program, have not read the manuals yet, have no idea how to set up files for analysis. if you understand this program start a new thread showing how to set it up.

I have seen a couple posts where people were having difficulty with the DM program. the screen shot below is my best guess for the upcoming MM game. I am not suggesting this is a best or even good setup, we only know that after the draw. or maybe not. anyone have a suggestion on how to paste to this website?

Eugene Oregan United States Member #128629 May 29, 2012 419 Posts Offline

Posted: June 10, 2012, 10:01 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on June 10, 2012

Hi guys

After reading the last few post if feel it nessary to post a few things that you may want to consider. The first may

seem bland, but the drawing is random. It is human nature to want to find some sort of order in the numbers but

I feel this is moving in the wrong direction. While patterns and trends may be common when using hindsight they

don't offer much concerning the next draw. Most neural networks or at least the good ones will state that they

are not designed to be used with random data. What we may see as a pattern, trend, etc.. is most likely just a

series of chance events that may or may not continue but if they do it is not because of anything that has happened

in the past. The chance that you will find enough information to allow you to predict the next set is almost null. DM

has no predictive qualities for a reason and is not intended to be used as a predictor but a tool. I have stated many

times that the next set drawn will come from the matrix, not the history. Understand this and you will understand DM

and have much better success. What happens most is a product of the matrix not the system used to generate the

numbers. The draw history should be treated as a mini matrix and the analysis used by DM is geared 100% around

this basic concept. Let me explain, mega millions has 3,819,816 combos of 5 number sets. Of these sets of numbers

1,701,056 have at least one digit 6, so 1,701,056 / 3,819,816 = 44.5%. In the last 706 drawings there have been 315

drawings that had at least one digit 6, 315/706=44.6% so we can conclude that the drawings have followed the matrix

to within .1 percent. If we know that 44.5 percent of the sets in the matrix have at least one digit 6 it is easy to

understand why 44.6 of the drawings also have at least one digit 6. It would be nice it 4.4 draws out of every 10 would

have at least one 6 in the set and many times it will. This however is not always the case, in the last 10 drawings the digit

6 has only come out twice. 7 times in the last 20 draws and 15 in the last 30, 15/30=50%. We can see that digit 6 shows

a deficit for the last 10 drawings but is above it's average for the last 30. Many of the filters used by DM will follow this

rule and you will see clusters of shows and no-shows. If 4.4 of every 10 draws had at least one digit 6 then the drawing

would not be random. This is the quandry we face in trying to make a setup but if we think about this we can make some

very good guesses. We often face two choices with every filter setting, either the value is waxing or waining. To put it

simple the value is ready to start a cluster or moving out of one. If these clusters formed a perfect sine wave then the draw

would not be random so while the values do cluster the trough between them is not stable and fluctuates back and forth.

On a even larger scale if the fluctuations happened at regular intervales then the draw would not be random and could be

predicted. You should be getting a better understanding of how I see the data. Random will defy logic and that is why many

times the draw will do the exact oppsite of what we expect. If we know what it takes to be random then we can start to

play randomly, I am not talking about just pulling a value out of the air and playing it, I am saying, play some of what makes

random, random. If we base our decisions on a pattern we are sure to be made a fool by the next drawing. It takes a while

to be able to tune your mind to analyze the data in this way but take another look at the tools I have provided and they should

make a little more sense. Throw a little of what makes random random into your selections. I admit that it takes a while to

learn to do this but when you find your self making selections that don't make any real logical sense without having to think

about them then you are well on your way.

RL

That is what i am seeing each time i do a back test RL. Over the course of time a coin will average a certain percentage of heads and tails. We are trying to play the best educated average with data to back it up. Random does have order just need to unthink our minds long enough to recognize the order we are trying to capture. DM lets us create those as close to what we believe and hope will happen on the next event. dld

MA United States Member #89094 March 30, 2010 245 Posts Offline

Posted: June 11, 2012, 11:21 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by phileight on June 10, 2012

Spot9 I have looked at the NN program, have not read the manuals yet, have no idea how to set up files for analysis. if you understand this program start a new thread showing how to set it up.

I have seen a couple posts where people were having difficulty with the DM program. the screen shot below is my best guess for the upcoming MM game. I am not suggesting this is a best or even good setup, we only know that after the draw. or maybe not. anyone have a suggestion on how to paste to this website?

Phil:

Press alt + print screen and then you can paste it into the reply form so we can all see your settings.

I'll try posting mine as well as I'm still playing on paper.