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Investigators find Tipton's software code to rig computerized lottery drawings

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Posted: April 10, 2016, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

Why should he get any more than he won? He played to win the estimated jackpot posted for the drawing he won.  If he didn't like the jackpot amount he shouldn't had brought any tickets.

Now had he won less than the estimated jackpot because of Tipton's cheating,then he might have a case.

"He played to win the estimated jackpot posted for the drawing he won."

If he bought a ticket based on an incorrect lottery ad that listed the prize as $9 million when it was really $19 million would you think he's only entitled to $9 million because he was willing to buy the ticket, or do you think he'd be entitled to the correct prize amount? What happened here is no different.  What Dawson deserves has nothing to do with the amount that was advertised. He deserves the correct prize amount.

"Now had he won less than the estimated jackpot because of Tipton's cheating,then he might have a case."

There's a pretty good chance that he did win less because of the cheating. Unfortunately for him, there's no way to prove that it should have been anything different than what it was advertised as. You can use probability to determine what the most likely results would have been, but the entire lottery business is based on very unlikely things happening.

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    Posted: April 10, 2016, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

    Why should he get any more than he won? He played to win the estimated jackpot posted for the drawing he won.  If he didn't like the jackpot amount he shouldn't had brought any tickets.

    Now had he won less than the estimated jackpot because of Tipton's cheating,then he might have a case.

    You & I would have fun being on the same jury! Thumbs Up

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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      Posted: April 13, 2016, 12:13 pm - IP Logged

      "He played to win the estimated jackpot posted for the drawing he won."

      If he bought a ticket based on an incorrect lottery ad that listed the prize as $9 million when it was really $19 million would you think he's only entitled to $9 million because he was willing to buy the ticket, or do you think he'd be entitled to the correct prize amount? What happened here is no different.  What Dawson deserves has nothing to do with the amount that was advertised. He deserves the correct prize amount.

      "Now had he won less than the estimated jackpot because of Tipton's cheating,then he might have a case."

      There's a pretty good chance that he did win less because of the cheating. Unfortunately for him, there's no way to prove that it should have been anything different than what it was advertised as. You can use probability to determine what the most likely results would have been, but the entire lottery business is based on very unlikely things happening.

      "If he bought a ticket based on an incorrect lottery ad that listed the prize as $9 million when it was really $19 million would you think he's only entitled to $9 million because he was willing to buy the ticket, or do you think he'd be entitled to the correct prize amount? What happened here is no different.  What Dawson deserves has nothing to do with the amount that was advertised. He deserves the correct prize amount."

      They didn't advertise the wrong amount.  They only found out about the cheating a year later.  If after a year a jackpot goes unclaimed, should the next jackpot won be adjusted accordingly?  Is the next jackpot winner any more deserving of that prize than anyone who brought a ticket for that drawing?

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: April 13, 2016, 11:28 pm - IP Logged

        "If he bought a ticket based on an incorrect lottery ad that listed the prize as $9 million when it was really $19 million would you think he's only entitled to $9 million because he was willing to buy the ticket, or do you think he'd be entitled to the correct prize amount? What happened here is no different.  What Dawson deserves has nothing to do with the amount that was advertised. He deserves the correct prize amount."

        They didn't advertise the wrong amount.  They only found out about the cheating a year later.  If after a year a jackpot goes unclaimed, should the next jackpot won be adjusted accordingly?  Is the next jackpot winner any more deserving of that prize than anyone who brought a ticket for that drawing?

        I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what I wrote. Your post that I was responding to contains reasoning that makes no sense, and I offered an example that I thought might clue you in.

        You also don't seem to understand what happened, because the jackpot didn't go unclaimed. That money is a prize that was never won. It doesn't matter whether it took them a week, a month or a decade to find out about the problem. The only thing that matters is that there was a problem. That doesn't guarantee that the jackpot Dawson won was advertised incorrectly, but there's absolutely no question that because of the error roughly $10 million that should have been paid out as a jackpot prize was kept by the states. Dawson doesn't deserve it because there's no way of knowing what would have happened if Tipton hadn't bought a ticket that appeared to  be a winner, so there's no proof that the money would have been part of Dawson's jackpot. It should be even more clear that the states don't deserve the money.

          RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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          Posted: April 14, 2016, 11:07 am - IP Logged

          I'm pretty sure you didn't understand what I wrote. Your post that I was responding to contains reasoning that makes no sense, and I offered an example that I thought might clue you in.

          You also don't seem to understand what happened, because the jackpot didn't go unclaimed. That money is a prize that was never won. It doesn't matter whether it took them a week, a month or a decade to find out about the problem. The only thing that matters is that there was a problem. That doesn't guarantee that the jackpot Dawson won was advertised incorrectly, but there's absolutely no question that because of the error roughly $10 million that should have been paid out as a jackpot prize was kept by the states. Dawson doesn't deserve it because there's no way of knowing what would have happened if Tipton hadn't bought a ticket that appeared to  be a winner, so there's no proof that the money would have been part of Dawson's jackpot. It should be even more clear that the states don't deserve the money.

          Long before the Dawson suit, MUSL had rules for returning unclaimed funds to the states which any player could have read.  Dawson is dreaming a jury will rewrite those rules rather than interpret them which means he doesn't have a case.  I would be surprised if his suit ever go to trial.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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