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Lottery scam investigation comes to Tennessee

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Posted: May 11, 2016, 2:51 pm - IP Logged

"People need to vote with their dollars and their voices.:

Your voice doesn't mean a thing if you don't back it up with your wallet, and the lotteries have an enormous amount of evidence that people don't do that. How many people said they were going to cut back or even completely stop buying PB tickets when MUSL increased the odds a few months before selling over a billion dollars worth of tickets for a single drawing? The lottery waves a bunch of money in the air and people buy tickets to try and get it.

"But can they prove Eddie Tipton rigged those drawings?"

If they can find the code and prove that it was used for those drawings it's possible. That's a different question than "Can they convince a jury that Eddie Tipton rigged those drawings?" When they tell the jury how improbable it is that  somebody who knew Tipton won through random chance the jurors may be perfectly willing to believe he rigged those games. Then on the way home they'll buy some lottery tickets with the firm belief that there's a realistic chance that they  might win.

"I just wish people were sharp enough to fall back from playing in cases where these scams come out."

Yeah, and you wish you'd win the lottery, too, but it's not very likely. Tipton's scam (there's really just one) didn't do anything to decrease your chances of winning. It just would have reduced your share if you had played the same combination. There's actually a potential advantage in having the drawing rigged by an individual who's in it for themselves. I'm assuming that Tipton used combinations that he thought were less likely to be picked by other players, in order to reduce the chances of sharing the  prize. That would then mean that all players who chose less likely combinations would have a somewhat better chance of picking the same one Tipton had programmed to win. I'd rather have a (big) jackpot to myself, but sharing one with other people would put more money in my pocket than any ticket I've bought so far.

The flip side of that (and I wonder if he's thought about it in hindsight) is that if he had deliberately used combinations that were more likely to have been played by others his wins may have been easier to hide. At the extreme, imagine the authorities trying to investigate the thousands of people who would have won if 1,2,3,4,5,6 had been the winning combination. Even if they find that somebody with a connection to Tipton was one of the winners who played 5,10,15,20,25,30, what's their argument when so many other people played that same combination and a bunch of similar ones?

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    Boy, this stuff is turning into a virus and the Dragon Lady thinks she is immune.

    I am going to ask a dumb question. 

    I remember RDGRNR used to call the woman in charge of TN lottery the Dragon Lady, can someone tell me why she is called that?

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      Posted: May 11, 2016, 4:33 pm - IP Logged

      I am going to ask a dumb question. 

      I remember RDGRNR used to call the woman in charge of TN lottery the Dragon Lady, can someone tell me why she is called that?

      Because she looks like Hillary Clinton?

      Never give up.  Banana

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        Posted: May 11, 2016, 5:50 pm - IP Logged

        Because she looks like Hillary Clinton?

        ONG, Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha not exactly the answer I was expecting, about fell off my chair.

        You sir, have a wicked sense of humor, I am still dyin here.......

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          Posted: May 11, 2016, 6:03 pm - IP Logged

          She was with Georgia lottery ,, they let go and tn gave her a big signing bonus,,,,, look @ tn payouts ,,,, somethings don't add up

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            Posted: May 11, 2016, 6:08 pm - IP Logged

            No NoAll said and done, but why isn't the third person's face, The Collage Room Mate, posted for all to see!!! Sounds fishy to me...

            Nothing fishy, the roommate's mug shot was already posted previously:  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/302838

            Check the scrolling section at the bottom of this news story for all the previous articles about the scandal.

             

            Check the State Lottery Report Card
            What grade did your lottery earn?

             

            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
            Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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              Posted: May 11, 2016, 8:04 pm - IP Logged

              Anyone that is Flamboyant is a dragon .......she is the queen ,if this answers your question,she was fired for being so flamboyant,,,,,take notice to me Im the queen of the lottery....blah blah blah....she is more of a scammer than Tipton..we all know it,you cant win nothing here...

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                Posted: May 11, 2016, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

                Tipton has never been involved with Tennessee lottery scandals....

                Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                For a lead role in a cage?

                 

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                  Posted: May 11, 2016, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

                  Sounds like anyone who wins a jackpot of a MUSL game is a suspect because they have accomplished the impossible.

                  LOL

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                    Posted: May 11, 2016, 10:24 pm - IP Logged

                    "People need to vote with their dollars and their voices.:

                    Your voice doesn't mean a thing if you don't back it up with your wallet, and the lotteries have an enormous amount of evidence that people don't do that. How many people said they were going to cut back or even completely stop buying PB tickets when MUSL increased the odds a few months before selling over a billion dollars worth of tickets for a single drawing? The lottery waves a bunch of money in the air and people buy tickets to try and get it.

                    "But can they prove Eddie Tipton rigged those drawings?"

                    If they can find the code and prove that it was used for those drawings it's possible. That's a different question than "Can they convince a jury that Eddie Tipton rigged those drawings?" When they tell the jury how improbable it is that  somebody who knew Tipton won through random chance the jurors may be perfectly willing to believe he rigged those games. Then on the way home they'll buy some lottery tickets with the firm belief that there's a realistic chance that they  might win.

                    "I just wish people were sharp enough to fall back from playing in cases where these scams come out."

                    Yeah, and you wish you'd win the lottery, too, but it's not very likely. Tipton's scam (there's really just one) didn't do anything to decrease your chances of winning. It just would have reduced your share if you had played the same combination. There's actually a potential advantage in having the drawing rigged by an individual who's in it for themselves. I'm assuming that Tipton used combinations that he thought were less likely to be picked by other players, in order to reduce the chances of sharing the  prize. That would then mean that all players who chose less likely combinations would have a somewhat better chance of picking the same one Tipton had programmed to win. I'd rather have a (big) jackpot to myself, but sharing one with other people would put more money in my pocket than any ticket I've bought so far.

                    The flip side of that (and I wonder if he's thought about it in hindsight) is that if he had deliberately used combinations that were more likely to have been played by others his wins may have been easier to hide. At the extreme, imagine the authorities trying to investigate the thousands of people who would have won if 1,2,3,4,5,6 had been the winning combination. Even if they find that somebody with a connection to Tipton was one of the winners who played 5,10,15,20,25,30, what's their argument when so many other people played that same combination and a bunch of similar ones?

                    Iowa Assistant Attorney General Rob Sand alleges that Tipton installed software known as a root kit that enabled him to manipulate numbers in computers that were supposed to randomly generate number combinations for several lottery games. The program would then self-destruct leaving no trace. Tipton denies that allegation.

                    They prove to the jury it was Tipton that bought the Iowa ticket, but proving a self-destructing program existed might be very difficult. If the AG could replicate the self-destructing program it might be more convincing to a jury, but knowing it's possible should be the end to RNG drawings.

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                      Posted: May 12, 2016, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

                      Had Tipton not bought the tickets (and ordered food) himself, they might not have caught him and he could still be rigging the numbers.

                      He got caught because he got GREEDY!!!! Red DevilMadEvil Looking

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                        I'm with you: I wish this was the beginning of the end for RNG.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that the states are getting it. 

                        Did you watch the video and notice Ms. Hargrove laughingly dismiss the possibility that the Tennessee Lottery's RNG was affected?  Rather than taking a serious tone and assuring people that the lottery is carefully investigating everything, she nearly does an eyeroll as she blows off the reporter's question.

                        For the life of me I can't understand the lotteries' need to cling to computerized drawings as if they are the lifeblood of the games, when in fact the opposite is true.  I can see how people could conclude that vendors of these drawing machines are "somehow" persuading lotteries to stick with them.

                        The Texas Lottery demonstrates on a daily basis what I consider to be some of the best, most transparent, lottery drawings, and they are done with modern robotic camera technology that minimizes the costs involved.  I can tell you that if I ran a lottery, I would absolutely adopt their approach.  Too bad the computerized states refuse.

                        Had to go back and watch again, yep, the arrogance of ignorance !

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                          Posted: May 13, 2016, 3:57 pm - IP Logged

                          Flamboyant you mean.

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                            bring back the balls n quit controlling ur low payouts

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                              Posted: May 16, 2016, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

                              I Agree! with Todd.  People need to vote with their dollars and their voices. Stop playing RNG games and let your legislature know why.

                              I Agree! If everyone would stop playing the RNG games, and only the ball games, this would stop this.  The RNG games is just one way the lottery knows who's playing what and how many people is on a certain number.  Just think about, if ex:5000000 people were playing ex: 123 in the pick3, with a 1.00 exact order in their state( and they all ran their tickets thur the machine,  do you think by using the RNG machines, the lottery officials are going to drop that number?   H  NO.!!  IF they did the lottery will soon go BROKE. This is why they use these machines.  Think about it.   That's why I know It's not random.  Not with the RNG machines it's not.  Now Powerball and Mega Million maybe, but look at the odds.  jmo.